Reasons Politics is Sickening: Reason #1: Laughing at Bad Things Happening to Good People in the Name of Political Advantage
Check out this video .
It shows two Democrats, including former DNC Chairman Don Fowler, laughing at the prospects of Hurrican Gustav hitting New Orleans during the GOP Convention.
God must favor the Democrats, says one of the slime balls.
Like I always say, It's all about the politics. It's all about the power. Nothing is sacred and all is fair game in the name of partisanship.
Pathetic. Video and more below the fold.
Of course, it does nothing to change my perception of the Dems. In fact, I fully expect this stuff from them and the GOP as well when they think nobody is looking.
This might get ugly.
Submitted by John on Sat, 2008-08-30 14:59
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Life goes on
I wonder what the Federal Government percieves it's roll is going to be, this time around.
Have they left the responsibility for preparation for a natural disaster to the governors and the mayors?
I imagine Louisiana is still not financially recovered as far as state and city revenues.
It is the economy, stupid.
Sigh. As I expected....
Reactions among our Red and Blue faithful here in matters like this will always depend on who utters the outrageous comment.
Take it from "Gold Yellow Nation": it's disgusting. :(
Too bad for them that they got caught on camera.
I don't think it's funny
I also have more serious concerns...... like how the people are going to cope.
The question isn't that people are stupid. People are always stupid.
You have to admit that there is a certain irony that the wind would blow the week of the GOP convention.
It is the economy, stupid.
Nevermind the big screen, do not look at the video...
... you are just unbelievable.
Have to be the most partisan, deaf and blind kind of partisan, I have seen here at SC!
They're talking about an impending DISASTER ML!
The kind where a horrible thing is likely to happen to thousands of AMERICANS!
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
Even worse
I am actually holding back!
It is the economy, stupid.
Why do you think I'm an independent?
Politics isn't about good governance or ideas, its about beating the other team at any cost. This is further reinforced by our 2-party system. Everything that is wrong with the country is the other team's fault.
It gets worse every year, and why? Because treating politics like a football game works. My team always, right or wrong.
Go Buckeyes! :-)
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
What's the score?
It's hard, really hard, not to feel angry at the utter lack of compassion (they brought it on themselves, by sinning being poor, etc. ) Republican politicians had the first time around for the people who suffered.
Especially when Mr. Big Chops, Haley Barbor, from Mississippi took the money to rebuild homes and used it to build casinos instead.
I am not laughing.
It is the economy, stupid.
You didn't get Commadant Kos' memo? Liberals are having
hurricane parties in honor of Gustov wiping out New Orleans again during the Republican National Convention.
Of Course They Are!!!!
EDIT
Don't do that again.
Consider this a formal warning.
-- stinerman
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
Don't get Parody? How about sarcasm?
I'll tell you sick mothers...
Today the St. Paul Police used SWAT teams of 20 to 30 officers each to raid 4 houses(so far) to detain reporters, photographers, lawyers & protesters
prior to the start of the RNC convention.
Glen Greenwald was also on had for two of the raids & gives his commentary
. It appears the authorities are trying to scare the political opposition with questionable "preventive" detentions. There's George W Bush's America for you....inching closer to a police state every day.
I took care of it
Drop this thread, please.
Lets step away from the keyboard.
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
Dude....you got issues. Your first post was warped but not
surprising from you. Now you seem to be throwing the gauntlet down or something.
You are a sad case. I wish you'd learn how to direct your emotions better.
Not so fast
That warning goes for you, too. You should know better.
If you guys can't get along, don't reply to each others posts.
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
No I don't get that sort of parody!
Telling jokes about Katrina in general is in poor taste, but to do it when it's about to happen again is unconscionable!
I own a Kitchen and Bath Showroom, and when Katrina hit we went to NO and were there for two weeks setting up facilities to provide clean drinking water.
If you saw what I saw - you would be humiliated and sorry for "parodying" such a catastrophic loss of property and humanity!
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
I think we all hope
that Gustav either weakens or misses heavily populated areas, and that there is minimal damage from the storm.
People have different ways of reacting, and humor is a funny thing. As I see it kindness was trying to make the point that of course liberals in general are concerned about the hurricane. Let's just try to assume the best in our political adversaries and like Stinerman says if we can't get along then no need to reply, there are always other discussions.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
OK Brendan, but in all fairness...
...I don't know how one see's;
As I see it kindness was trying to make the point that of course liberals in general are concerned about the hurricane.
Out of;
You didn't get Commadant Kos' memo? Liberals are having
hurricane parties in honor of Gustov wiping out New Orleans again during the Republican National Convention.
Of Course They Are!!!!
But you guys are the liberals?I suppose it is the same comedy routine the Democrats were playing out on the airplane in the video John posted above???
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
I think he just
made a deliberately ludicrous comment in order to say the opposite. I suppose phrasing it in terms of a joke like that leaves open the possibility of misinterpretation. IMHO this is the sort of exchange that doesn't make as much sense over the internet; face-to-face I bet we'd all be agreeing right now.
FWIW I think we all consider the exchange in the airplane to be pretty tone deaf and myopic. I read on CNN
that the GOP is considering using the convention to raise money and aid if that looks to be needed, which would be great.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Now thats better
Carry on.
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
cmon John don't be a sucker
What can you do sometimes but laugh about something you have no control over? Yeah, what he was saying was technically callous, but let's not buy the RedState faux outrage over this. It's just some careless chatter by this guy that doesn't reveal much about his character except that OMG! He's just like the rest of us.
I tell you what: If you really believe this is indicative of how our legislators don't care about the people and are fired up about it, then let's make this motivate us right now, and say that if this hurricane hits hard, we're both going to go down there together to the Gulf Coast and volunteer for the cleanup. In fact, let's get a bunch of SC-ers together and go down there. Because all that matters is action, the rest is BS.
skymutt: wise and powerful... enlightened...
Relax, Skymutt
I have a default position of hating how partisan politics and politics in general tend to make people think and reason.
This is simply an extreme version of it.
And no, honestly, I can't go to N.O. right now. ;)
However, the backdrop behind being ready for a hurricane and the type of help that will be available speaks for itself.
Chances are that N.O. isn't going to be much better prepared in the event of a CAT 5 hurricane and the recovery will be less than perfect and limited by human limitations and impeded by bureaucratic bumbling that will amplify human limitations.
That's not people "thinking and reasoning"
That's a couple of men on a long boring flight shooting the sh*t. They weren't developing hurricane ressponse policy at that moment, nor was that their charge. I don't think there's any indication that they were serving in any official capacity at that moment.
What a depressing, joyless world it would be if we had to limit our conversation at all times to the grave realities of this world, out of fear that someone was secretly recording us, and would use it against us by leaking the private conversation to the public.
skymutt: wise and powerful... enlightened...
Doesn't fly Skymutt....
Listen, it wouldn't have mattered if the dogcatcher in Baghdad had said it, it is the depraved musings of a debauched mentality.
Now had GW got caught saying this!
All hell would, and should break lose.
These guys are Senators!
So they fall somewhere way above the dag catcher and slightly less than GW!
They should be publicity vilified for this!
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
Not Senators
The guy doing most of the talking is a former Democratic Party official. The other guy is a Congressman.
Bush joked around about not being able to find WMDs, remember that? You didn't hear a peep from me about that. I don't care if people joke around, are occasionally crude, make light of tragedy in a private conversation, and so forth, so long as they do their job when push comes to shove.
skymutt: wise and powerful... enlightened...
Just the same...
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
no skymutt
Those two paragraphs you wrote slalomed through and danced around my point.
On everything in that second paragraph, I agree with you. But none of that is what I'm talking about.
What I'm talking is basically the title of the post.. Period.
Political victory at all costs. How myopic.
Ya, you're wrong, and right.
Wrong - in that this is not how any of should react to a F'ing hurricane hitting an already stricken city. A joke is a joke, this idiot takes it over the top, to a callous, almost Orwellian level, regarding partisanship and the lack of connectivness to the people of the country!
Right - That you should go down there! They'll need the help, believe me. I was there for two weeks after Katrina and it will change your life. (Unless you're Oprah, then you just have to go to an Obama rally.)
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
Its obvious...
that God has no preferences on where hurricanes land
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
4:20 is too long for me...whats the punchline? n/t
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
The gist
The gist is the Christian God is real because its God's plan to not intervene recently in human affairs in a noticeable way and God hasn't intervened recently, so that proves God is real.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Faith
by definition can't depend on evidence...
This is the Babel fish
idea, right?
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Depends on your definition of evidence
I would tend to say faith is its own kind of evidence or knowing for the believers.
Certainly not objective evidence, though
I would still say it is a sort of hidden knowledge. Faith in a deity or that a certain event will come to pass (the rapture for instance) cannot be explained to the faithless in a way that they could possibly understand. Faith could only come from an epiphany of sorts; people can only find faith in their own way.
Perhaps you might disagree with the last part. I believe I recall you saying you are studying to become a pastor. If you don't mind indulging me, I would be interested in how you see a pastor's relationship to his congregation in terms of helping them find faith.
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
Good question
First off I think I agree with you except for faith being a hidden knowledge. It's open to all who would come and find it. However, you are correct in that's there no way for one peron to demonstrate it to another. Each person has to have their own experience with the
Holy - Sprit to truly understand spiritual truths.
As to the role of a pastor I think it's to point, those who are struggling with faith, to God and maintaining a relationship with him through prayer and Bible study. I believe it is only through a relationship with God that one can understand spiritual truth. I would tell of my experience with God ( including doubt) and how I came to a deep meaningful realtionship with him. This would hopefully encourage them to come to God and see for themselves of his goodness. But I cannot convict one of the truth of God, that is the job of the Holy-Spirit.
I forgot about that species...thanks for the link.
Ya, its different presentation of the same idea.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
I don't see
how anyone gets any political advantage out of a hurricane coincidentally striking the US during any party convention. Even more so I don't see how anyone gets a political advantage gloating about it happening even to their political enemies - just the opposite. I don't think you'd find many people who wouldn't find these comments disgusting.
Sic semper tyrannis
Here here! n/t
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
Would it be wrong
to ask your followers to pray for rain?
If God Decides
And this isn't funny either is it John?
These are the folks that are so excited about Sarah Palin's socially conservative credentials, also known as Bush/McCain foot soldiers.
Now that McCain has picked a fire breathing social conservative, the GOP has given him their blessing, by finally putting McCain's photo on the GOP web site. Of course he is pictured side by side with Sarah.
It is the economy, stupid.
I don't quite what you're trying to say
insofar as it concerns me.
"my followers"?
BTW, the guy in the video said God, not me.
Life goes on
It is ironic that social conservatives were preying for torrential rain on Obama's big night, yet it is the GOP convention that is getting washed away.
I am saying ALL of the folks that preyed for rain, are equally as sickeningly partisan as your tape of guys laughing in private.
The difference is that the prayer makers were unashamed to do this in public.
(The things folks say in private, would likely make us hate all of humanity.)
It is the economy, stupid.
Oh please - enough already...
"Social conservatives" weren't doing any such thing. Most Republicans are Socially conservative.
James Dobson represents the far christian right, its like saying all democrats were praying for the hurricane to hit N.O.?
By the why, its - p r a y.... not - p r e y. ;-)
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
Reason #649:
Bush and possibly McCain might try to capitalize on their compassion card
by speaking from the hurricane zone.
The resources involved in protecting high profile figures would take away from the prevention and rescue efforts.
It is the economy, stupid.
Wierd?
I thought Bush was crucified for not getting there quick enough!
Of course the candidates and the POTUS will go there and so they should. To show support and to get a feel for what is happening on the ground!
You take any side that suits you, it's really quite amazing to watch?
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
Here's the dopple radar from NASA for Louisiana.
in case anyone wanted to check from time to time.
Keep moving west baby...! n/t
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
I might suggest
This will automatically update as new info comes in.
And a full size
version.
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
The age we live in. I'm watching the center of Gustov cut
through SW Louisiana on your link right now.
Happy September all. Summer is officially over.