Who is Bob Barr?
That's the question I wanted to answer for myself after following a few discussions here. I mean, I knew he was the Libertarian nominee for President, and a former Congressman. I also knew he authored DoMA
because I'd looked up the rollcall vote for other reasons. But that was about it. So I moseyed on over to google and started hunting around... follow below the fold if you're curious.
Why don't we make this short: Barr was basically an awful politician from a Libertarian perspective for most of his political career. In addition to authoring the overreaching Defense of Marriage Act, he pushed the war on drugs and supported a federal prohibition on medical marijuana (an illogical position for anyone seriously in favor of states-rights to take), and, just for a nice bonus, he led the effort to impeach Clinton, tying up the government with various trivialities (which is not to excuse Clinton's actions). The Libertarian Party actually helped get him defeated in 2002. Since then he has reversed his stance on many issues and after leaving the Republican party and endorsing the LP candidate in 2004, he himself was selected as the LP nominee for 2008.
Well ok, he sounds a bit opportunistic but I suppose it's nice to have as many voices speaking out against the folly of our approach to the war on drugs as possible. Let's look at his current positions on the issues. Domestic spending: drastic cuts; Entitlement programs: drastic cuts; Energy funding: drastic cuts; Iraq war spending: drastic cuts; Taxes: drastic cuts. Other positions: anti Patriot Act, anti Eminent domain abuse, pro gun. Some stuff for liberals to like (ending secret surveillance), some stuff for conservatives to like (shrinking government), some stuff for libertarians (isolationism, repeal 16th).
His current position on immigration from his webpage states:
we must end government benefits and services for illegal immigrants. Many local communities and states have begun to reduce payments to those who come here illegally, but a 1982 Supreme Court decision mandates that we provide education to the children of illegal immigrants. This detrimental ruling should be overturned through another Court challenge or a constitutional amendment.
Government and public hospitals also are forced to treat illegal immigrants for all manner of problems (over and above true emergency care). This costs states billions of dollars annually in medical costs. Private charities may support whomever they believe to be worthy of help, but taxpayers should not be forced to subsidize those who illegally enter America. Free health care and education benefits create a powerful economic incentive for illegal immigration.
This strikes me as the sort of thinking that is logical on paper but simply doesn't hold up in the real world. It is in our interests to integrate the children of illegal immigrants into our society; it is unhelpful to deliberately withhold schooling from them in an effort to punish their parents. It is in our interests to treat emergency care, "true" or otherwise, to contain public health threats... and yes, to uphold our standards of moral decency. I plead guilty to using loaded framing here; I guess thinking along these lines is why I'm a liberal and libertarians (who reject my implicit premises) are libertarians.
The conventional wisdom is that Barr in the race hurts McCain :
Take Barr's home state of Georgia. A recent poll by Insider Advantage showed Barr winning 8 percent of the November vote there versus 45 percent for McCain and 35 percent for Senator Obama. Georgia has a large African-American population, and if Obama can generate high turnout in that community, a key part of his base, then that plus Barr could cost McCain the state – and conceivably the election.
If Barr is polling decently it would be nice to see him in the debates. I get that such a standard is a bit of a Catch-22, since it's hard for him to obtain the kind of exposure required to generate interest and help him register on polls. Still, I think it's reasonable to have a certain minimum standard for inviting candidates to participate in a nationally-televised debate, and it's not clear to me that Barr can meet that standard. I hope he does, though, I'd like to see Obama and McCain respond to his arguments.
What's your take on Barr? I'm curious how the liberals, libertarians, and conservatives view him and his candidacy.

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My take on Barr
I guess I'll give it a go since he's supposed to "my candidate"...so to speak.
First of all:
Yes. He did all that. Yes. A LOT of libertarians don't like him....especially the more civil liberties oriented, "Peace, love, rock roll...and free markets" type libertarians. Yes, he renounced all those positions. And yes, a lot of libertarians still don't like him.
Barr narrowly beat out
the more hippie-ish, warm, loveable and thoughtful Mary Ruwart
on the final round of voting when Wayne Allen Root threw his support behind Barr and tipped the scales.
See Mary's campaign page
for more on her.
I remember watching C-SPAN...Ruwart was visibly beside herself when that "conservative journeyman" Barr beat her.
In the end, the "pragmatists" won the day. By that I mean the wing of the Party that stresses accentuating its mainstream strengths...even if it has to compromise a bit...in an effort to get some star power and respectability on the ballot and make a good showing nationally.
I don't fault them for that approach. I don't fault them for wanting to expand their appeal.
Was Barr the best man for that? I don't know...I would hope not. I don't mind the guy. His platform is standard fare for the LP so even a less than ideal libertarian is still good to me.
BTW, Brendan, "isolationism" is the wrong word. It's anti-adventurism with a wariness of entangling alliances.
Because Barr is a more "Right Wing" Libertarian, he will hurt McCain more than Obama....I would think.
That said, I think he'll hurt Obama more than people realize since many Barr voters have already written off McCain over FP. The question is: how much do they dislike Obama?
And that is up to Obama.
Thanks, it's always nice to get your take
on libertarian issues. You explain the internal politics of it well.
That was a close race for the nomination. It does sound like Ruwart might have come with a little tough-to-sell baggage
, and Barr certainly has name recognition.
Did you catch the Sunstein piece
on Obama I linked? He's obviously biased but I thought you might find that perspective interesting.
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A slightly different take
I've made my position known about Barr before, but since my fingers need some morning exercise and because I like the clickety-clack of my keyboard (it's a really old Acer model from the very first PC my mom ever bought -- they made them better back then) I'll say it again.
I'll agree with John that Barr is the man who is most likely to grow the party. This is simply because of name recognition. Barr was at the forefront of the Clinton impeachment.
Barr, to me, represents the Libertarian Party not minding if they are the disaffected Republican spill-over vote. I think they could be a lot more if they decided to reach out to left-libertarians like myself. In fact, Ruwart was adamant about doing this when she spoke on CSPAN during the convention. Badnarik made significant inroads to the left wing community. I recall hearing that he drew about 60/40 from Republican and Democrat leaners respectively. Barr will get nowhere near that much support from Democrats/liberals. He's more of a principled federalist than anything else.
I felt pretty disheartened after he won the nomination. John said that this was the pragmatic wing taking the day. I wouldn't really say that. I would call it the conservative wing, though. To me, the conservative libertarians are the libertarians I tend to know outside here: they could really care less about civil liberties, they just don't want to pay taxes.
On a related note, I think I'll do a weekly piece about the lesser-known candidates running for President. I'll start on someone else (your profile does him justice) later this week and go from there until I'm exhausted or Nov. 3, whichever is first.
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How many liberal votes are really up for grabs, though?
The GOP has several wings: hawks, fiscal cons, social cons. IMHO the left tends to be a bit more monolithic in the sense that we don't have so many influential blocks, although it's true that getting any set of individual liberals to agree is like herding cats.
If that's accurate, and it may well not be, then I would guess from a strategic perspective it makes sense to try to peel off one of the GOP wings. What did Badnarik do that won him a large proportion of liberal votes?
Nice idea for a series, although I have to warn you that I think McCain/Obama are sucking up most of the oxygen of the race, with a little left over for the libertarians. I'd certainly be interested in reading about lesser-known candidates, though.
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Badnarik
Badnarik was anti-war -- troops home in 6 months. Nader was as well, but Nader had the extra baggage from 2000 and was not on as many ballots due to Democrats' challenges to his candidacy. Badnarik was on the ballot in 48 states + DC.
I would have been happy to vote for Nader, but he was thrown off the ballot in Ohio. Nader appealed to the Ohio Supreme Court. I've read the decision and it was the most biased, incredibly wrong decision I've read. They essentially ruled that Nader should have sued the Secretary of State to keep him on the ballot when he was already on the ballot. After that travesty, I sure as hell wasn't going to vote for Kerry (and he was still pro-war, mind you), and I didn't like what David Cobb was doing for the Green Party, so I voted for Badnarik.
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Oh, I see
Yes, the anti-war thing is common ground between the left and libertarians.
Did Kerry's campaign back the challenge to Nader? I don't recall and am having some difficultly finding that information.
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Not specifically the DNC in Ohio
The case in question is Blankenship v. Blackwell [PDF warning]. That links to the Ohio Supreme Court case. A Google search of the case will bring many more relevant links.
Neither the Kerry campaign nor the DNC were officially involved in the challenge because parties may not challenge a petition, only qualified Ohio electors (registered voters) can do so.
Nader alleges that 95 lawyers from 53 law firms helped keep him off the ballot in '04. The firms received over $1 million in fees and about $2 million in pro bono work. Furthermore:
Facts brought into evidence in the reply brief include the actions of the defendants (or, as the lawsuit calls them, co-conspirators) to file 24 complaints in eighteen state courts as well as five complaints with the FEC in a twelve-week period between June and September 2004. According to the brief, the purpose of this litigation was not to "vindicate valid legal claims, but to use the sheer burden of repetitive and abusive litigation as a means to drain and distract" the Nader-Camejo ticket from being able to turn their efforts to communicating their views and qualifications to the public as they sought office.
The general strategy of the DNC was to cause Nader/Camejo to spend their resources defending frivolous ballot access lawsuits instead of using the resources for traditional campaign activities.
See Ballotpedia
for more information. Of course, its a wiki, so take the information with the requisite amount of salt.
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Thanks (nt)
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I like him for his 2nd Amendment record.
And with no other horse to ride in this race, he gets my vote. That back stabbing McCain can go down in flames for all I care.
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Why is McCain...
...a "backstabber"?
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
Barr seems to have been consistently good on guns
from a conservative/libertarian perspective.
You've got to like Palin on the 2nd too though, right? Not enough to counterbalance McCain?
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Your sentiment pleases me
no end.
It is the economy, stupid.
How many total votes do you think he'll get?
He'll beat Nader I hope.
Reasonably well :-)
I expect Barr to do well in his home state (Georgia), perhaps 4% or so.
Overall, I don't expect him to get over 2%, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got 1%.
Him beating Nader will depend largely on how stiff his support is. Nader is polling upwards of 7% in some states, but that support is always soft. It'll be close for 3rd place, for sure.
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Who is Bob Barr?
...The Republicans equivalent to Ralph Nader.
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
We can only hope so!
Libertarians might wanna think carefully about backing him if that's the case, though -- I would say that Nader harmed liberal acceptance of the Greens, which is too bad. If Barr is viewed as spoiler then conservatives might be less receptive to libertarians.
Not that a lot of conservatives are particularly receptive to libertarians anyway. Ron Paul wasn't exactly welcomed into the GOP debates, and the online right was pretty hostile to his supporters.
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Who is Bob Barr, you ask? The Onion has the answer
via Reason
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