Friday/Weekend Open Thread

Friday, gateway to the weekend, is here!

As expected, Russia has officially recognized the Georgian autonomous territories of Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent countries. The move brought near-universal condemnation from the international community . An exception was Belarus, which plans to follow Russia's lead in the next few days. Both President Medvedev and the South Ossetian speaker of parliament, Znaur Gassiyev, have agreed that Russia will "absorb" the region in several years. In addition, Russian PM Vladimir Putin has charged the US with having "citizens" in the South Ossetian conflict zone and with arming and training the Georgian army. It looks like the situation is quickly deteriorating.

If you're a Comcast user, there is good news and bad news . The good news is that they've finally put a hard number on their "excessive use" cap (250GB/mo). The bad news is that it's only 250GB/mo (hey, for me that's not a lot). Users who violate the cap will get a warning. A 2nd violation will terminate your account for a year. The policy will go into effect on Oct. 1.

And since this thread isn't worn out yet, its now a weekend thread, too -- stinerman

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Cass Sunstein: Obama as progressive empiricist

By nature, Obama does not follow old-line political orthodoxies. Above all, Obama's form of pragmatism is heavily empirical; he wants to know what will work.

Consider his domestic agenda. Favoring aggressive action to control greenhouse-gas emissions, he is open to considering nuclear power and has explicitly credited Republicans for promoting market-oriented approaches to environmental problems (and he has attracted the scorn of some on the left for doing so). A sharp critic of No Child Left Behind, he has spoken favorably about merit pay for teachers. Offering an ambitious health care plan, he would not require adults to purchase health insurance. His goal is to make health care available, not to force people to buy it--a judgment that reflects Obama's commitment to freedom of choice, his pragmatic nature (an enforcement question: Would those without health care be fined or jailed?), and his desire to produce a plan that might actually obtain a consensus. And, while he would raise taxes on the very richest Americans, he is hardly anti-business; indeed, he proposes to eliminate the capital gains tax for start-ups and small companies.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Hmmmm....I don't know, Brendan.

Therein lies the rub. Whether people realize this or not, Obama does take money from big corps, etc., and is really not that much of an outsider who refuses t o follow old-line politics.

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Wake up for heavens sake....

Obama has been old dem party line politics from day one - He won his first election in a cold calculated technicality - he has aligned himself with old school democratic machine and its questionable chicago politicians.

"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman


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Obama Derangement Syndrome cleanup! (n/t)

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New book about how we think about "knowledge"

"Reinventing Knowledge: From Alexandria to the Internet ."

by Ian McNeely and Lisa Wolverton.

This seems relevant to the mission of Swords Crossed. Book review at Salon.com:

The road to Wikipedia

How do we know what we know? A new book takes a long view of knowledge, from ancient oral traditions to the rise of universities and the Internet

 

"You have seen how a man was made a slave; you shall see how a slave was made a man." --Frederick Douglas

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McCain picks Sarah Palin as VP.

Let the campaign begin in ernest.

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It's a Harriet Miers Deja Vu Moment

And she brings a brewing scandal along with her.

The Alaska Legislature voted last month to investigate allegations that Palin dismissed the state's public safety commissioner after the commissioner resisted pressure to fire a state trooper involved in a contentious divorce from Palin's sister.

The legislature has hired a former district attorney to investigate the case and asked him to issue a report by Oct. 31 - - just before the Nov. 4 general election, state Senator Hollis French said in an interview.

Palin fired the public safety commissioner, Walt Monegan, on July 11. Several days later, Monegan said he had been pressured by members of Palin's administration and family to fire state trooper Mike Wooten, according to the Anchorage Daily News.

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You're funny, I understand, you all are scared & tripp'in! n/t

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Kos wishes John McCain a happy birthday:

Happy Birthday John!

So he's now 72.

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What do you think of the arrest of a deputy of Ahmad Chalabi

in Iraq?

The SJ Mercury notes a connection to Chalabi but isn't as explicit as a couple other sites. Here's what they said:

"A senior official in Nouri al-Maliki's government was in custody Thursday suspected of ties to Iranian-backed Shiite militias and plotting a June bombing that killed 10 people, including four Americans, Iraqi authorities said.

The arrest of Ali al-Lami—taken Wednesday as he left a plane arriving from Lebanon—reinforced suspicions about Tehran's influence within the Shiite-led Iraqi government and could open wider probes into Shiite networks, including possible links to Lebanon's Hezbollah. "

Apparently the guy was in cahoots with Iran & his job as:

"A senior official in Nouri al-Maliki's government was in custody Thursday suspected of ties to Iranian-backed Shiite militias and plotting a June bombing that killed 10 people, including four Americans, Iraqi authorities said.

The arrest of Ali al-Lami—taken Wednesday as he left a plane arriving from Lebanon—reinforced suspicions about Tehran's influence within the Shiite-led Iraqi government and could open wider probes into Shiite networks, including possible links to Lebanon's Hezbollah...Sunni politicians have long protested that efforts to purge ex-members of Saddam's Sunni-dominated Baath Party from the government and military were used to exclude Sunnis from political life in Iraq and expand Iranian influence."

So the people we're paying billions a month to support are the ones who are in bed with Iran.

Karl Rove is right about one thing, the bush43 Administration just can't catch a break right now. It's getting harder and harder to have their cake & eat it too.

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Laying the groundwork for a mandate is the title of this post

in Washington Monthly by Steve Benen (old Carpetbagger report) & Hilzoy (OW). they say:

"As has been the case for quite a while, Barack Obama lit into John McCain in his acceptance speech last night, but not in personal terms. It highlighted the key distinction of the two campaign styles -- McCain has gone after Obama on character, integrity, and patriotism, while Obama has gone after McCain on policy, substance, and vision. But this is about more than just competing approaches to character assassination, it's also about laying the groundwork for actually governing....

There's another lesson in George W. Bush's 2004 victory over Kerry by demolishing Kerry's personal reputation: It left Kerry's agenda untouched. As Bush discovered from the day after his 2005 inauguration, he had no mandate for conservative policies such as Social Security privatization because he had not run on them...In 2004, voters agreed with Kerry, but were persuaded to reject him. They disagreed with Bush, but wanted to invite him to their barbecue. But when it came time to govern, Bush did what he wanted to do, Americans grew frustrated because they hated his agenda, and the president's popularity tanked...If a candidate runs a campaign that hides his or her positions on the issues -- as Bush did twice, and McCain is doing now -- it's bound to deeply disappoint the electorate once he or she starts implementing the ideas no one endorsed.

That makes Obama's pitch a gamble -- he's counting on voters to be grown-ups -- but should he win, he'll have the advantage of a mandate."

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Sullivan on McCain's choice

He's always the first website (other than SC, of course) that I check in the morning.

He starts out wondering who she is and what she stands for. And then all hell breaks loose by the end of the day.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/change-over...

Start there and go to the next page and the next, and the next. Sullivan cracks me up.

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It is an enjoyable read, isn't it?

And occasionally there are some real interesting nuggets on there. Like the comment I just added. (Which I just edited to add the hat tip. I believe that is the way to do it, right?)

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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I suppose it is

The only good form I try to abide by (and now enforce) is linking back to the article. Call it a hat tip or whatever you like.

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Blogging etiquette!

I think the difference, though I'm not positive, is to link back to the original source of anything that you have quoted, and hat tip any other link that directly led you to it.

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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I can see why many on the right say they like Palin.

She thinks just like Dick Cheney except she thinks the gays are bad. It was a very smooth move. I see Rove in it even though he supposubly wanted Romney.

Now...some of the cheerleading for Palin by the rw talking heads.....to suggest that Palin has more experience than Barack Obama is pretty weak and several are doing that right now. They should instead push her for what she does bring to the party. She's a rock ribbed conservative the type Bill Kristol drools over. Hard right Christian who expects others to live by her code. Sell the real McCoy.

You see when you make up bs & try to pass it off as filet....well then folks are going to kind of question other things you say and well....McCain doesn't want that.

But the announcement was amazingly effective in eliminating Barack Obama's speech from any of the media today. That's were I think it was Rove.

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Sarah Palin is a conservatives dream come true!

"You see when you make up bs & try to pass it off as filet....well then folks are going to kind of question other things you say and well"

Perfect illustration of the whole Obama campaign!

"Hard right Christian who expects others to live by her code."

Like liberals don't expect everyone else to live by theirs! LOL!

Here is Obama's silly amateurish press release;

"Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero
foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency.
Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v.
Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed
economic policies -- that's not the change we need, it's just more of
the same."

Because what they were afraid to say was;

Today, John McCain made American history by asking Governor Sarah Palin to be the Republican VP nominee. Sarah Palin has 13 years of executive experience, and is the only candidate on either ticket with that credential. Gov. Palin has fought big oil, is a solid conservative, and is a genuine grassroots candidate with nearly a 90% approval rating amongst her constituency. She is committed to continue her work on the State level when she gets to Washington of cutting wasteful spending, limiting government to it's constitutional role, and protecting American families. If you really are serious about change in DC, you will love Sarah Palin!

 

 

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You can repeat republican talking points really well.

How many McSame Campaign points have you racked up so far?

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What flatulence, dig up some new material - "L" n/t

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Sorry, no points there. You didn't mention POW, Muslim or

angry black people in your post.

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Barf all you like, eventually we hope you feel better...?

You're so whacked out you can't even tell the difference between TP's and her resume'.

TP's are "More of the same"... "Bush' 3rd term"... Garbage like that, oh what am I doing, I'm sure you have them post it noted on your computer right in front of you, just like the good little Kool Aid drinker that you are!

"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman


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The Elves Over At Kos Are Working Overtime - Shame!

The Class of Kos

The sewer elves of the Daily Kos—the same "progressives" that wanted to "out" Chief Justice John Roberts' four-year-old son Jack—are back in the slime, trying to claim that new Republican Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin's son Trig isn't hers.

They're trying to claim Palin's eldest daughter is actually the mother of Palin's youngest child.

They just can't seem to accept that people unlike themselves might
actually chose to bring a Down's child into this world, instead of
terminating it as an inconvenience... or as Obama might call it, a punishment .

 

From Here .

"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman


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The Kosites want him/her to take it down

Check the reaction to the DKos diary. People want the author to remove it.

Frankly, I'm surprised. They usually eat stuff like this up over there. You should have picked a better example.

And with respect to your other "source" this is all I need to know about them.

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As usual, for Barack Obama...

...it takes a second try to get things right.

"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman


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Oh, please, not this again!

So here's the initial statement from the Obama campaign:

Today, John McCain put the former mayor of a town of 9,000 with zero foreign policy experience a heartbeat away from the presidency.

Governor Palin shares John McCain's commitment to overturning Roe v. Wade, the agenda of Big Oil and continuing George Bush's failed economic policies. That's not the change we need, it's just more of the same.

And the joker you link to calls this statement sexist! Tell me, Red_Wing, do you actually fall for this stuff, or do you at least realize that it is complete bulls**t but are willing to swallow it anyway because you just love your Republicans sooo much?

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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To your credit, Red_Wing

At least you said that the second statement, in which Obama said:

...ultimately John McCain is at the top of the ticket. He wants to take the country in the wrong direction.

is where he gets things right! :P

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Iran continues to play a dangerous game

of chicken with the West:

Iran's deputy foreign minister said Friday that almost 4,000 uranium-enriching centrifuges are now operating at the country's Natanz enrichment facility, the national IRNA news agency reported.

[...] The five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council and Germany -- a group called P5+1 -- offered a package of economic and other incentives to Iran in July if it suspended its nuclear enrichment program.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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I see no game of chicken

Is a country allowed to use nuclear technology for peaceful purposes? Yes. Is Iran a country? Yes. Is Iran's nuclear program peaceful? I've not seen any evidence to the contrary.

Therefore, as signatories of the NPT, they are allowed to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes. The IAEA has said they have no evidence Iran is reneging on its obligations under the treaty. So long as Iran is not in violation of the treaty, I don't see how the Security Council has any basis to complain about Iran's activities.

If Iran is inherently untrustworthy, then the UN ought to just invade the country right now and save us all some time.

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Yes, and...

If the US was counting on Russia to police Iran or pressure Iran, the recent dust up in Georgia, and McCain's cowboy response didn't do the US any favors.
Alienating Georgians and Russia at the same time was not the smartest move.

It is the economy, stupid.

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They don't need enriched uranium

for their heavy water reactor, and they can buy enriched uranium for their LWR. This is a bit out of date but I think the conclusions stand:

if I ran a country and wanted nuclear power but not nuclear weapons, and I wanted to convince the world of my good intentions, I would:

* Contract with a first-world nation to obtain a LWR and fuel
* Not build a heavy water reactor
* Not pursue uranium enrichment
* Provide the IAEA with complete access

This is not what Iran has done.

Iran's method of pursuing "nuclear power" leads to legitimate questions as to its goals. Stuff like this , which we both read earlier this week, doesn't help.

It's all very well to say that the SC hasn't authorized additional sanctions against Iran, but that has little to do with Iran's actions directly and much more to do with Russia (and to a lesser extent China):

No new economic sanctions against Iran have come into effect since the issuance of the ultimatum on Aug. 5, mainly because of differences between Russia and China, on one hand, and the Western powers on the other. Russia, China and the European Union are Iran's most important trade partners. Russia is building Iran's first nuclear power plant in the town of Bushehr on the Persian Gulf.

Western nations will have to resolve the standoff over Iran's nuclear ambitions without Russia's help if they refuse to cooperate with Moscow, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said in an interview with CNN on Thursday.

Asked if the conflict with Georgia could hurt U.S.-Russian cooperation on Iran, Putin said: "If nobody wants to talk with us on these issues and cooperation with Russia is not needed, then for God's sake, do it yourself."

The question isn't what Iran can legally do -- if it wanted to, it could withdraw from the NPT and openly build a bomb. The issue is what Iran ought to do in order to create maximum security and prosperity for its citizens.

From my perspective Iran is being deliberately antagonistic, with what I can only hope is a goal of wringing further economic concessions from the West. The US of course is unhelpfully saber rattling, which by itself only entrenches the Iranian hardliners. That's why it looks to me like a game of chicken.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Granted

They should be going about it in a more open and inclusive way than they are, but they have every right to develop nuclear power in any way they see fit (subject to the NPT, of course).

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Sure

Other nations are pursuing nuclear power without any significant objections (Egypt , for example ).

Iran seems to be a special case both because of pre-existing tensions (stemming in the very long-term sense in large part from our own meddling before their revolution) and because of their antagonistic stances.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Sort of off-topic, but

there was a decent article on Iran's long history in the August National Geo.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Agreed

I still maintain that if we just let nature take its course in Iran, the Ayatollah will be gone by 2020. It would have been gone a lot more quickly without our incursion into Iraq.

Iranian youth, by and large, are turned on to Western art, music, and culture. Give them time and they'll transform Iran into a fully functioning democracy.

Iran is rightly sore with us for our overthrow of their Prime Minister in the early 50s. We are rightly sore with them for taking our people as hostages in the 70s.

Someone on either side needs to have the balls to put their cards on the table and work out an agreement to quit the mutual sabre rattling. The reason why this won't happen is because the other is a useful scapegoat come election season.

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Bravo Brendan!

...You're a good ole Kennedy/Truman kind of Democrat! The kind a guy could respect even if you had differences.

Not one of these pathetic new age ultra liberal socialists who just babble nonsense all the time, thanks for being an example of that rare breed now days! If the Democrats were smart, they would move back in that direction and reclaim all those lost voters.

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We did an exercise here a while back

looking at options for handling Iran, and it seemed to me that there were significant risks to taking a hands-off approach. This case for confronting Iran is probably overstated (I was trying to put together the strongest argument), but I do think a tough stance backed up by a reasonable mix of carrots and sticks is warranted.

I'm probably a bit more hawkish on foreign policy than mainstream Democrats right now. I sometimes catch a little grief for it from the left, glad somebody approves =)

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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I could just go to town on this, but....

...look Stiney, what are you willing to take that gamble on a country we know supports terrorism, who openly calls for the destruction of its neighbor, who hates America, and who's Pres. is clearly unstable for?

If they enrich enough Uranium to make a bomb, you think they won't?

And for know let's just say on the surface, preexisting conditions aside, you are right and Iran has a technical "right" to proceed.

What if you made a boo boo, and NYC goes up in a ball of flames? Who do we blame? You? The Iranians?

My dad told me this story when I was a kid;

Seems there was this snake and this fellow was rushing home as a big storm was just closing in, and as the fellow passed the snake caught his attention, "Please sir, I am a snake, pick me up and take me to higher ground, if I get stuck here I'll surely drown" cried out the snake! "Heck no" replied the man, "I'm not coming within 10 feet of you, you'll bite me". "Why would I bite you you for helping me, I promise I won't, in fact I would be in you debt." The man thought it over, and as the rain began to fall he made a decision. "OK, but don't you dare bite me." The man picked up the snake and put him inside his jacket and rushed of to safety, when they finally got to higher ground the man found a warm dry spot to place the snake, he reached in his coat and picked up the snake, and as he set the snake down, the snake struck out and dealt the man a lethal blow! The man was stunned. "How could you, I did everything for you, I believed you when you promised me you would not bite me if I helped you"! As the man collapsed and took his final breaths he heard the snakes reply, "I thank you for your help dear sir, and without it I would have surely perished, but the truth of this story is" - "You knew I was a snake when you met me"...!

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One at at time

...look Stiney, what are you willing to take that gamble on a country we know supports terrorism, who openly calls for the destruction of its neighbor, who hates America, and who's Pres. is clearly unstable for?

I'm not gambling anything. I clearly stated that if they are developing nuclear technology under the NPT for purely peaceful purposes, then we (the international community) have no place to tell them to suspend their program.

If they enrich enough Uranium to make a bomb, you think they won't?

I don't know. Anyone who claims to know without physical proof is kidding themselves. If they did make a bomb and there was physical evidence, the UN should take swift action to bring them in compliance with the NPT.

What if you made a boo boo, and NYC goes up in a ball of flames? Who do we blame? You? The Iranians?

The Iranians obviously. They're the ones who launched the weapon.

I can see from your post that you will never believe Iran is enriching uranium for peaceful purposes regardless of any facts. I put it to you then that if indeed we can never trust Iran, we should immediately bomb any and all nuclear enrichment facilities immediately. Why wait? That also goes for North Korea (even though they've withdrawn from the NPT).

I'll also ask if we can ever trust Russia. If not, why wait to destroy their nuclear capability as well?

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How do you make the blue quote blocks here? n/t

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Read the HTML guide

http://www.swordscrossed.org/htmlguide

<blockquote>A quote</blockquote>

gives

A quote

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Gonna need a bigger server now.

Pictures & video take a lot more bandwidth.

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Not necessarily

Pictures and video (especially the latter) are usually linked-to from other websites. Embedding a youtube video doesn't cause the SC server to do anything but relay you the link.

Most of the processor power is being used on database lookups and the like. That will scale with the number of users the site has.

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Thx. n/t

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LOL? Sometimes brilliant, sometimes...not.

I mean what can I say ?

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What not recognize break away states?

Georgia ends cease fire agreement . (Assoc. Press)

A Georgia Cabinet minister says the country has pulled out of a 1994 U.N. agreement that ended the war in the separatist region of Abkhazia.

The announcement Saturday by the office of Temur Yakobashvili follows Russia's recognition of Abkhazia as independent.

The U.N. agreement called for a cease-fire after fighting killed thousands of people. It also provided for Russian peacekeeping troops, which Georgia says sided with the separatists.

Russia is now facing isolation over its military offensive in Georgia, and Moscow stands alone in its recognition of the breakaway regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Russia, which recognized both regions as independent this week, drove out Georgian forces that had remained in a small portion of Abkhazia.

So why is the option joining Russia in recognizing these independent states a non-starter?

I'd like to know what others think.

We recognized Kosovo. On the grounds of self determination, I see an argument for it.

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All countries are equal

but some countries are more equal than others.

That's the only reason we don't.

I think we should recognize Taiwan, but then what do I know.

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Sadly No! has a post about Sarah Palin that's fun to read.

To watch the progression of the post through the three updates is very funny & insightful.

Good final conclusion, even though we won't say those things here.

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Whats so funny is, or sad we should say...

...is that is the kind, and quality, of information you absorb. And the source is about as lame as you can get.

Keep doing that though, the fear coming from you and people like that is palpable.

LOL! You made the stupid move, you should have chosen Hillary, you will lose this election! Ha Ha!!

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Listen ...I'd appreciate it if you'd stop attacking people here.

It's OK to attack their ideas, their politic or their statements but you continually attack the people.

Cut it out....

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Mind your own side of the street. n/t

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Sarah Palin was a preference for a long time for the base...

You can see here , a lot of conservatives were big fans of, and wanted JM to choose , Sarah Palin !

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Well...

There is no doubt that Palin signifies a huge departure from previous GOP strategy. Her name isn't "Bush" or "Dole":

1976: Ford/Dole
1980: Reagan/Bush
1984: Reagan/Bush
1988: Bush/Quayle
1992: Bush/Quayle
1996: Dole/Kemp
2000: Bush/Cheney
2004: Bush/Cheney

I was still sure we'd see McCain/Jeb Bush or McCain/Liddy Dole.

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True, we learned not to run Dole...

...When the Bush family have won 5 general elections! ;-)

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That makes for an interesting corollary

Republicans haven't won a Presidential election without a Bush on the ticket since 1972.

This dovetails nicely with the fact that the Democrats have only won the popular vote twice since 1944 (1964, 1976).

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Time will tell....

how well her nomination goes over.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Fascinating article in the WSJ...

... a little lengthy, but worth the read !

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Interesting and quirky.

Some good points, some silly points. Some clarity from good focus, some murkiness from distractions and irrelevant tribalistic thinking.

This line says it all:

The design flaw of the secular social-democratic state is that it requires a religious-society birthrate to sustain it.

Which is why we libertarians always say we are at least consistent on many levels.

Individual freedom does not deserve to be harassed by societal pressures to fulfill someone else's grand vision.

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Yes, you're right...

..it's more a stream of consciousness as opposed to a academic argument.

The premise is thought provoking in and of itself however.

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That you are

Which is why we libertarians always say we are at least consistent on many levels.

No argument here. I think the libertarian argument is unworkable, but at least consistent. While a free market (there's that word again) is the best way to start out, government intervention is required in markets that, by their definition aren't free or when markets become unfree. Think roads and infrastructure, natural monopolies, etc.

The biggest flaw in conservative thinking is that conservatives believe that the government is inefficient cumbersome so any domestic policy programs are doomed to failure. On the flip side, government magically knows exactly what it's doing and is to be trusted absolutely in foreign policy dealings. The latter has more to do with neo-conservative influence after 9/11. Lieberman is right that Democrats used to take the interventionist tack in foreign policy. Unfortunately for him, the liberal base no longer thinks in those terms.

The biggest flaw in liberal thinking is that increased regulation and intervention lends itself to people trying to use the regulation to their advantage. Intervention like this only works when the regulators and politicians are saints and are incorruptible. Liberalism works well when everyone agrees on what intervention is necessary and proper, but then again everything works out great when everyone agrees.

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Staying away from "absolutes"...there's that word again....

I'm speaking about a general bias toward policies that lean in the libertarian direction. Nothing is pure and perfect but some countries are more libertarian than others in some ways (and the same countries can be less in other ways).

Again, absolutes are for theory. Real life is about relative degrees pro and con.

The consistency I speak of goes like this:

Support for true individual freedom leads to Free-er markets which lead to more choice, differentation and dynamism (good and bad). More of these qualities lead to more desires and different tastes. More desires, choices and tastes enhances individuality and social liberalization. It's harmonious. No regrets or contradictions when taken as a general stance.

OTOH, Conservatism and Modern Liberalism, when you look at the chain of events above, lead to results that run counter to one part of the agenda or inhibit results that are precursors to getting more acceptance and steam for other parts of the agenda.

In short, free-er markets and a more liberalized economy (as opposed to less of these) are symbiotic with social liberalism.

For conservatives, free-er markets threaten social conservatism and tradition and a sense of a unifying purpose or focus for society. IOW, so-cons would have an easier time if markets were more rigid and regulated and less dynamic.

For modern liberals, social liberalism and greater tolerance is enabled by free-er markets and the growth and choices it makes mainstream. IOW, less dynamism in the economy will encourage more rigid social norms and less tolerance for change.

(never wonder why poorer countries are more socially conservative, religious and traditional)

That's what I mean by consistency.

The other consistent group are economically populist social conservatives...my diametric opposite.

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Inherent Irony in the article.

1: One best be a good Christian and make babies to fight the Muslim babies.
2: People thought natural resources would run out, they were all wrong, but the Muslims will take over the world and that prediction has legs to stand on.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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Everyone hates the free market from time to time

After Mad Cow scares, Creekstone Farms Premium Beef decided they wanted to test all of their cattle for Mad Cow disease independently of the 1% the USDA by government mandate.

The testing kits are only available from the USDA and the USDA refuses to sell Creekstone enough kits to test all of their cattle. The USDA's position is that testing every cow would cause people to think that testing 1% isn't good enough, which would cause uncertainty as to the safety of domestic beef production. Large meat packers oppose Creekstone because they believe if Creekstone tests all their cattle, the rest of the meat packers will have to fall in line lest they lose business. This increased testing would cause them to raise prices, which they'd rather not do.

The case has come back from the appeals court after a preliminary win by Creekstone. The court ruled 2-1 for the USDA.

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Gustav a Level 4 as it passes Cuba

Amazing . Talk about bad luck.

If the levees don't hold again (they haven't been tested since being rebuilt), I wonder how many people are just going to give up and leave New Orleans for good?

Best wishes for those in Louisiana and the coast. I have a cousin in Biloxi, MS, but he can take care of himself (and has the means to just up and leave if need be). Others are not so lucky.

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Poor Cuban's - They must be in bad shape...

...Of course I looked all over and the only place I could find good info was....Huffington Post.