Obama and Libertarians from Steve Chapman

Steve Chapman of Reason looks at Obama and the prospects of Big Government. His premise is to look at Obama objectively and ask if libertarians should "fear" an Obama Presidency. Whether libertarians view the matter as Chapman does is another matter. But he does, nonetheless, make a case in favor of Obama...as many libertarian thinkers have.

Personally, I've been little warmer to Obama than McCain from the get-go for a variety of reasons, some of which Chapman cites.

As polls tighten, it's clear that the bases and their true believers will not decide this election...and that's almost always the case that they don't. That mushy group of 20-25% (guesstimate) or so of voters who do not lean toward either party will decide. This group is made up mainly of truly moderate centrists and libertarians of varying degrees. Depending how you strictly one defines libertarian, the percentage of the total voters can be anywhere from 9% to 15%. Part this group will vote for Bob Barr. The other will vote for the main two. So, it's safe to say that perhaps as much as half of the this 20-25% of voters will be split between Obama and McCain depending on their personal views and priorities. How will they split?

After admitting that Obama's economic plans will naturally look bad to any libertarian-minded person at first glance and showing a variety of examples of this affinity (arrogance? naivete? care free attitude?) for a variety of highly questionable and potentially wasteful/harmful interventions, Chapman finds the bright side and shows that it's not as bad as some would think when looking at the stereotypical base who follows him: (emphases mine)

But saying a Democrat believes in big government is like saying that Chicago winters are cold—true, but inadequate. Some winters are more bone-chilling than others, and some Democrats are worse than others. There are grounds for gloom with Obama...But there are some reasons to hope he will be less bad than most:

—He's liberal, but not that liberal. Contrary to the famous National Journal ranking that put him most leftward in the entire Senate, another study found he is really the 11th-most liberal. In the primaries, when Democratic candidates are under the most pressure to veer left, he insisted on hewing closer to the economic center than Hillary Clinton or John Edwards—even when it exposed him to charges that he didn't support the holy grail of universal health care.

Obama did pander to the left's phobia about globalization by villainizing the North American Free Trade Agreement. But as soon as he had the nomination locked up, he confessed to Fortune magazine that his NAFTA rhetoric had been "overheated and amplified."

Organized labor howled about "corporate influence" when Obama hired Jason Furman as his chief economic adviser. Among Furman's sins is his longtime association with Clinton Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, who pushed President Clinton to emphasize deficit reduction rather than big new spending programs.

—He's open to evidence. The New York Times recently reported that Obama "likes experts, and his choice of advisers stems in part from his interest in empirical research." Nobel laureate economist James Heckman of the University of Chicago, who was asked for input on education policy by Obama's advisers, told the Times, "I've never worked with a campaign that was more interested in what the research shows."

That would be a change not only from more doctrinaire liberals but also from the Bush administration, which has never been exactly obsessed with real-world data....

—He's not enchanted with the big-government model. On health care, Obama opposed Clinton's proposal to require every American to buy health insurance, preferring to offer subsidies and then let individuals decide. He balked when she said all adjustable mortgage rates should be frozen for five years—with Obama's campaign quoting an expert who said, accurately, that it would be "disastrous."

He's far less suspicious of the operations of markets than most people in his party. And when was the last time a Democratic nominee openly worried about corporate tax burdens? Furman has said that if some loopholes can be closed, Obama "would like to cut the corporate tax rate."

Yes, some of those points are refreshing. I recall watching that moment when Obama said a freeze on ARM rates would be "disastrous". I actually sighed with relief and felt a little more optimistic. I thought to myself: "He knows....deep down, HE KNOWS!". Thank God. He won't be as much a bull running through a room of china as some would fear. Moments like that one are some of salient ones that libertarian minded people parse through to get the real picture and then cling to with hope. We get the impression that he feels that self-imposed leash that people have when their foundations are grounded in a good respect for basic economics. His connections to and heeding of many economists at the University of Chicago are also a good sign. He shows that he prefers tweaks and fundamental nudges to large scale command and control policies.

Of course, the last component that helps is the democratic process and the possibility of grid lock. Will Obama go against his party on key issues as Clinton did? There's reason to hope so.

Says Doug at the Liberty Papers:

some of the dire predictions coming from Republicans these days about Obama remind me of the things that were said about Bill Clinton when he was running for President in 1992. Yes, things looked bad at the beginning when he tried to ram Hillary-care down our throats, but once that failed he moderated significantly and actually became the Democratic Leadership Council-type President that some thought he would be. For the most part, the Clinton years weren’t any worse than the last eight years of George W. Bush, and there’s some reason to argue that, for liberty, the Bush years have actually been worse.

If Obama as President does indeed shed some of his "Leftishness" and perform at or near the best-case-scenario of a Democratic market-friendly liberal...sorta like Clinton and perhaps better...there's reason to feel comfortable.

The question is, will libertarian-minded people (and centrists) see it this way in enough numbers to make the difference for Obama? We'll see. The other areas where McCain is clearly not like Obama works in Obama's favor for these voters.

Beyond that, would Obama, if this all more or less comes to pass as I describe, do a better job of changing the Democratic standard than Clinton did? Looking beyond Clinton's campaign rhetoric and concentrating on the actual large scale policies he enacted, it's sadly clear his policy legacy has faded since his departure...even though boasting about economic results from his tenure continue.

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On NAFTA

Every Democrat thinks NAFTA is the most horrid, poorly thought-out, misguided government policy ever conceived until they win the nomination. And then NAFTA is always on the back burner or something that "should be looked at" and "taken very seriously".

Every libertarian should think this, too. NAFTA has jack squat to do with free trade. It is correctly called government-managed trade. As Ron Paul put in his recent book, free trade exists in the absence of regulations, not because of them.

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All things are relative and in degrees.

My problems with NAFTA, and I have them, are that it is a managed trade policy that selectively liberalized trade in specific sectors while allowing favoritism and protectionism in others. It's a complex and managed trade agreement. It is product of ugly pragmatism in the face of protectionist and merchantilist interests.

That said, NAFTA exists in the context of an ever-present alternative of less free trade...period. Paul is an odd ball. He doesn't like NAFTA because it's not free enough. When he argues against it, it's because of the reasons I mentioned above among others....like national sovereignty.

When people espouse NAFTA, it has context. The context is that those who oppose it, with the exception of Ron Paul, want to restrict free trade and basically undo the free-er trade elements of NAFTA. In this context, people who want more trade liberalization are left with the position of supporting it unless something better comes along.

And when Democratic politicians oppose NAFTA, it is well understood that they want to repeal parts of it that make it a step toward free-er trade.

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NAFTA is a curse word in my part of the country

The only way I support "free trade agreements" of any stripe is if they are backed by generous retraining programs for people with displaced jobs. Pulling out the rug from under a person making a decent wage at a factory job and telling them to go work at Wal-Mart is crap.

We need not keep the buggy whip makers in business a day longer than they need to be, but we do owe them some time to get retrained so they can make something else. Anything else is not only bad policy, its a colossal dick move.

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That has little to do with NAFTA

and more to do with policies enacted addition to NAFTA.

In fact, that whole post and the concerns it brings have nothing at all to do with NAFTA in terms of changing it to the liking of the Demcratic establishment.

We need not keep the buggy whip makers in business a day longer than they need to be,

The basic effect of the people in question who are against NAFTA is basically to keep those buggy whip makers competitive by trying to repeal parts of NAFTA in order to slow down or stop that process.

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All the same

If the retraining programs aren't in place, I'd rather keep the buggy whip makers for as long it takes to get the programs in place.

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And who's gonna buy those buggy whips?

But again, you're veering away from the topic of NAFTA itself.

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That's also a different ball of wax

Lost jobs because no one wants your product anymore isn't even in the same league (or ballpark or sport) as losing your job because the tariffs dropped overnight.

The buggy whips will slowly phase out as people no longer want buggy whips. When your company is no longer competitive overnight because widgets from another country are suddenly on the market for less than your raw materials cost, you're up the creek.

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And

When your company is no longer competitive overnight because widgets from another country are suddenly on the market for less than your raw materials cost, you're up the creek.

That's when people start outsourcing.

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Moreover,

I doubt anyone complains about jobs created because of NAFTA. Ohio is one of the biggest beneficiaries of NAFTA in terms of new jobs that can be traced to its creation. Sounds strange but true. And no, I'm not talking about Wal-Mart.

Finally, most people complaining probably have no idea whether NAFTA was responsible for those lost jobs or something like GATT or China's entry in the WTO.

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That'll take some doing to convince me

Ohio's had slow job growth and higher-than-average unemployment for quite awhile now. Its not as bad as Michigan here, but we're right on its heels.

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Slow job growth can have many reasons.

It doesn't have to be because of NAFTA...and it isn't.

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Oh you push my buttons well

Disclaimer: My bad mood has reared its ugly head again. No hard feelings to John, but I had to vent.

Well we don't have the factory jobs we used to. My father made more before NAFTA than he does now (not even adjusted for inflation). The Delphi plant and the old Ford plant in Sandusky are both as good as closed and nothing -- absolutely nothing is coming in to fill the void. It doesn't take a genius to figure out NAFTA was the problem (and this isn't another example of post hoc ergo propter hoc).

Not to sound like an ass, but I live here. You don't. You'd be a little testy if your job disappeared overnight, like many people I know. You're lucky enough that the service industry, by definition can't be outsourced.

Then, I've got the added insult that all the computer techs are unemployed so people need 3 years experience for "entry level" employment. I have no experience in anything else and college degrees are a dime-a-dozen, so I'm boned yet again. I also don't have a few thousand dollars to shell out for BS "professional certifications" either.

Yellowknife is closer every day.

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What happened exactly?

What happened to those factories? Did they just shut down? Move? If so, where? Mexico? China? India? where?

Hey, nobody said that it's rosy for anyone and everyone on a case by case basis. I feel bad for people who are displaced from closing plants. However, how would things be in Ohio and elsewhere if trade was restricted? Think of prices, new jobs that involve export that are not created, companies that shut down for lack of cheaper materials and so on.

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Indiana gets an "A" Manufacturing

Consider :

Indiana is the sixth best state for manufacturing and logistics in the country, say two new reports from Ball State University. And Hoosiers can expect stable employment in the sector, along with rising wages. "Indiana is one of the best places for manufacturing in the nation," said Michael Hicks, director of Ball State's Bureau of Business Research (BBR). "In recent years, state leadership has developed policies to attract and retain these industries. Our neighboring states have not been able to keep up with us in this regard."

In the 2008 National Manufacturing and Logistics Report Card, Indiana is listed behind Missouri, Utah, Florida, Alabama and North Dakota.

Each state receives an A ranking as a result of overall placements in 20 categories, including property taxes, sales taxes, unemployment insurance, corporate taxes, crime and percentage of the population who are college graduates.

At the bottom of the list with Fs were New York, Kentucky, New Jersey, Vermont, Rhode Island, Maine and West Virginia.

Indiana is also the state with the highest percentage employed in manufacturing at 19.3% of the population. Ohio is 8th with 15% BTW. I didn't see the grade Ohio got but it wasn't an A but neither an F.

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Stuff like this

doesn't matter much if you can't find a job.

Rosey sounding statistics proving how macro 'great' the numbers look is, like rubbing salt in a wound.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Of course not. Why consider it then....

Pish Posh...

But stuff like this doesn't seem to be the reason the people who are unable to find jobs can't find them.

There's always bad laced in the good. Nobody denies that.

But to disregard the good because you'd rather make hay out of the bad isn't honest discussion.

Even in a booming economy with 2% unemployment and wage growth, pockets of people in certain states are not going to have good things to say about the economy.

I guess then the economy has sucked since 1776 because some people are always looking for work.

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closed shops vs. closed borders

Do you think that open borders would be more palatable if unions were allowed to sign contracts for closed shops (or union shops, or whatever it's called when the union can say that only union members can be hired by the company).

I was thinking about this mainly for those who are worried about immigrants taking their jobs, but it may also apply to the issue of international trade and outsourcing.

"You have seen how a man was made a slave; you shall see how a slave was made a man." --Frederick Douglas

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Consider:

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In the case of Ohio, exports to NAFTA countries increased from just under $10 billion in 1993 to nearly $19 billion in 2003 [1]. Canada is Ohio's largest export market while Mexico is second. The state's most important exports to Mexico are vehicles, machinery, plastic, glass, rubber and steel [2].These are all industries that support high paying manufacturing jobs.

On the agricultural side, corn exports from Ohio to Mexico increased by two and a half times between 1994 and 2001 [3]. The major agricultural exports of the state are soybeans, feed grains, wheat, vegetables, and live animals and meat [4]. All these products would benefit from a further liberalization of trade in the Americas and around the world.

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And what about card check!

Why would anyone support such an un-American concept ?

I'll tell you why, because they will be able to intimidate workers and expand the archaic and dying idea of organized labor.

Who in their right mind would raise their hand to vote against something their boss supports when he's standing there asking you to vote?

It is a crazy thing, most Americans don't understand BO supports this sort of stuff!

"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman


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My father was a union electrician. So was my grandfather &

my uncle. They were all republicans, but they didn't think like you.

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What they advocated to abolish...

...the blind Union vote?

I don't think so. It is absurd to think the average worker would voluntarily give up the right to vote in private like all Americans have always enjoyed? And the larger question is this, why would Barack Obama support it?

"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman


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