What Lurks Behind the Obama Wave?

While Democrats of all kinds are humming along in upbeat fashion toward what they hope will be a triumphant return to the White House this fall, there's a very underdiscussed facet of it:

WHO exactly is on board in this wave toward hopeful victory and what exactly are they expecting?

While it may seem like a simple answer...especially to many Democrats...., it really isn't. Projection of the individual voters' tastes may be obscuring their vision of what an Obama presidency may look like in terms of policies. I, as a libertarian, harbor no illusions that my tepid preference for Obama over McCain in any way translates into a likelihood that Obama will do my bidding. For me, it's a calculated and pragmatic choice based on trade-offs as well as an understanding of the machinations of government and process. But this isn't really about me or other people like me. It's about the hodge podge group of people known as "Democrats". And Democrats, while they may share common principles, are extremely diverse in the details. And the devil is always, as they say, in the details.

The strand of Democrats that I find particularly depressing, dim and unwittingly masochistic is what is called the "Social Democrat"...or more precisely...what I call the National-(istic) Communitarian Social-(istic) Democrat. It is a group full of contradiction and..strangely enough...rife with illiberalism that rivals the likes of Tom Tancredo and Duncan Hunter. It is, at the same time, a caricature and a very real wing of the party. It is an ideological basket case that wants what the frightening fruition of its vision could never deliver and hates what its vision inadvertently and indirectly does deliver...while never realizing its role in the worst of the reality it despises. It is a desire for control that wreaks uncontrollable havoc which then begets more desire for control and continued havoc like a dog chasing its own tail. It desires an inclusion that causes and demands a want for exclusion. It wants the benefits that come from the antithesis of what it wants while claiming them as their own creations...all while seeking to destroy that very antithesis in the name of yet other values that are not borne from what it seeks. In short, its murky and compromised sense of true liberalism, of any kind, has a very, very low threshold...after which point it's extremely illiberal in an effort to keep what it has unsustainably gained and fend off the side-effects of what it has unwittingly wrought.

With that intro, we come to an article by Matt Welch from Reason which takes a look at what some in the Obama camp are fancying and cooking up for their seemingly imminent reign. The strange thing is that Obama does not really strike me as one of these National Communitarian Social Democrats. But that may not matter unless he fights and breaks rank with these types of Democrats once in power...like Bill Clinton did at times and on the major economic issues.

Matt Welch sums up an article by Michael Lind promoting the vision of this wanna-be-ruling wing of the Democratic Party as such:

eject the social liberalism and "liberaltarianism" of the "McGovernite" Democratic era of Carter and Clinton and failure, and re-embrace Franklin Roosevelt's "It's the New Deal, Stupid" approach.

...and in full blown up-the-ante fashion I might add by not only rejecting the value of social freedoms and choice but also by welcoming social conservatism into a big tent based unabashedly on economic populism. The marriage of William Jennings Bryan populism and the FDR-style command-and-control state capitalist dirigisme, if you will.

Says Lind:

to create an updated version of the New Deal, the Democrats have to treat economically liberal social conservatives as equal partners, with their own spokesmen and leadership roles in the party, not just as a handful of swing voters brought on reluctantly at the last moment. Conversely, Rubin Democrats and other economic conservatives should be invited to join Grover Norquist and the Club for Growth in a free-market deficit hawk party

OK, then. I must say, if THAT were to become the new Democratic Party and the GOP became the direct opposite of it, I think I could finally join a party with good conscience....provided the war hawks went blue as well. Hillary's base would finally a have majority. ;)

Does this vision for a new coalition have legs? I certainly hope not.

National Communitarian Social Democratic views that would persist or even intensify include:

unwitting support for increasingly bigger and more corrupt government, taxes, bureaucracy, special interests, fascistic corporatism and labor strife along with even less subtle hostility to open immigration, economic flexibility, free trade and TRUE diversity (not the fake one many Marxist college professors in "area studies" shove down people's throats).

Whatever Obama's faults, he is at least a true Modern Liberal of sorts, IMO. A true modern liberal at least shares many goals and aspirations of their classical liberal forerunners....even though the methods and priorities may differ slightly or greatly. I can live with that. I can also have many a fruitful conversation with such liberals. Such liberals should be wary of these illiberal Democrats with which they make common cause.

The battle for the GOP seems to have been won by Neo-Con/Nanny-State Conservative coalition with principled and tolerant small-government moderate types and libertarian-leaners shoved to the side. While I'm no Republican and never would be, I regret seeing the GOP become even more hostile to my values than they already were. The battle for the Democrats is at hand and it's happening. Liberals should beware lest your counterpart of the Neo-Cons takes control and moves the part even further away from liberalism....of any kind.

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Interesting take

I think its dumb luck that social conservatives jumped on the Republican bandwagon in the early 80s. The so-called evangelicals are not conservatives in any real sense, but are more closely aligned to the Christian Democrat parties of Europe.

I don't think the social democrats of the Democratic party have any real power, mostly because they refuse to withhold their vote when the chips are down. If the Democrats did become the neo-federalist deficit hawk party I wish they were, I could probably vote for them as well.

Really, this could be a crossroads. I've made the case before that small "L" libertarians should make inroads with the Democrats, rather than thinking the economic liberal wing of the Republican party can ever reassert itself. The Republicans are lead by foreign policy hardliners and the Christian authoritarians, neither of which place any emphasis on economic liberalism

I was hoping the big "L" Libertarians would nominate someone from their left wing (Gravel, Ruwart) rather than their right wing (Barr), but they did not. The sad thing is that if we had sane ballot access laws, the Libertarians could assert themselves, which would give libertarians a place to take their vote rather than wasting it on either major party.

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In years past, libertarians were more natural Republicans.

But that's when the Republican party advocated low taxes, low spending and a government that doesn't intrude into personal, local or states issues. They were more Goldwater Conservatives. Reagan claimed to represent that and when he got elected, especially after he won the House he became a Big Government Conservative & turned his back on the fiscal part by the Federal Debt he left behind. Bush41 was a New England Republican, even though he was out of Houston. Circumstances forced him to raise taxes & that's when the nuts took over the party.

You look at the reign of bush43 and it's funny. Many of the really important driving forces came from Gerald Ford, Reagan & Bush41's administrations. But they changed through the years. Dick Cheney is the best example. He went from a little l libertarian conservative almost 180 degrees to a Federal Government trumps all & Executive Branch is Royalty and doesn't have to answer to anyone.

That's the part I have the hardest part understanding. Folks around the net who call themselves true conservatives and fully support the bush43 Administration's actions. They ignore the whole basic Governmental imprint that this Administration is trying so hard to make it stick beyond their term. It is alien to a little & big l libertarian. It's ass backwards to my definition of Conservative. The best defense I can give these conservatives is that they are supporting their own team. It rings hollow to me.

Now, libertarians have to pick & choose their elected officials. Sometimes, the Republican will represent their views better. Surprisingly now I think the Democratic Party is more willing to listen to & work with libertarians because unlike the Top Down Republican organization, the Democratic Party is more distributed and diffuse as to power. They are much more a coalition.

Obama is calling for a more cerebral Administration. McCain is calling for even more of the same of where we are now. The answers to the Q&A at the Saddleback Church laid that out if there were any questions.

Who supports whom will tell the tale.

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My take is that it is the nature of the beast

Regardless of how one gets into true power or what one's views were prior to getting into power, once in power, the realities of staying in power in DC become obvious and a goal unto themselves. Measures and policies, which at one time would have been opposed, become rationalized and acceptable as "part of game" or as "coming with the territory". Ya know, "you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs" kinda talk.

Some of these principled "true conservatives" (debatable) could argue that circumstances and realities of compromise with opposing factions blurred, twisted and adulterated their intent so that end results were the products of half-measures and imperfect reform. Perhaps. I don't know. But the over-riding reality is that power begets power and power corrupts and begets more corruption.

I do not defend this transition. I only put it on the table as true danger to any wanna-be reformer or power-broker politician.

This brings me back to the title of this post: The Nature of Beast.

The mental image of Frodo struggling to selflessly cast The Ring into Mt. Doom while fending off would-be wielders of it is pretty apt. Sure, some of these would-be wielders he fights off claim noble-intent (Borimir). Some simply don't even bother with such justifications (Gollum/Sauron). Either way, the end result is the same and the prescription for resolution is the same.

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Limited government is a minority party staple

Previous to 1994, Republicans were pretty much a permanent minority party. If your party almost never got what they wanted what policy would you advocate?

States' rights would seem to be one. If you can't get what you want done at the federal level, you might be able to get it done at the state/local level where you do control the legislature. Another is limited government, for much the same reason. If the feds are using government in ways you don't like, just be for shrinking as much of that government as possible.

Once the Republicans came into power, all this states' rights and limited government stuff went out the window because they decided that now they could use the federal government to do everything they wanted in one fell swoop. Federalism doesn't factor into the decision anymore.

Both parties are for big government, its just that one of them is for big government in areas where the others aren't.

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And that's my point. The Republican party still claims to

stand for individual rights, but they don't. And with this last Administration they've allowed the Executive Branch to openly act like royalty and to be above the common mores & laws.

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And?

The Democrats still claim to stand for working-class Americans, but they don't. They are better than the Republicans, no doubt, but the Democrats are hardly worried about the needs of the wage jockeys.

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True that. (n/t)

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I have a very hard time seeing

social conservatives and the dems finding enough common cause to really form an alliance. Abortion alone is enough of a wedge issue that the two most often despise each other. Their differences are more, and greater, than their commonalities.

If anything I'd expect you'd be more likely to see a third party based on overt religious overtones which might draw some of the current GOP support.

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Good points, Tialoc.

No matter how hard an attempt is made to unite social conservatives and democrats, it's not going to work, because, as you pointed out, there are too many divisions, especially on issues such as abortion. This is part of the reason why the Democrats have not won Presidential elections for the past 40 years, and, since the social conservatives, who're often blue-collar white ethnics from both the north and south alike, bolted from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party ages ago, there's no way that Barack Obama will be able to unite them with the Democrats, no matter how hard he tries. It's unfortunate, because the blue-collar white ethnics in this country were once an important part of the backbone of the Democratic Party. The Parties are too divided by race now too; The GOP is the party of whites, and the Democratic Party is the party of non-whites and wealthier, educated whites. Too bad.

Regarding a third party; I myself would like to see one, but one with overtly religious overtones wouldn't work here in the United States, due to its multi-denominational, multi-racial and multi-ethnic composition.

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I don't think a religious third party

would do better than the greens or the libertarians but there's certainly a alarge enough evangelical population that it could be as successful.

We aren't as far from the Dark Ages as I'd like.

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I don't agree with your description of the Democratic Party.

It has it's faults, but it isn't as distant to the needs, desires & hopes of the "common" man as you say. It's much closer than the republican party.

Another thing. Not all Republicans think abortion should be illegal. Where I came from (northeast) they felt it was a personal decision & not one you should let some one else make for you. Now I agree that the Republican Party platform & leaders are all anti abortion. Just saying not all republicans believe that. I wonder what the percentage breakdown would be?

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Points taken, kindness.

Btw, whereabouts in the northeast did you originally come from? Just curious.

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Tarrytown NY & Westport CT

My fathers family had land on the shore so I was lucky enough to spend summers on the water. Back then it was all tidal mudflats. Now it's million dollar houses. I spent the school year in Tarrytown. Both are relative suburbs of NY. Westport is just a little farther train ride.

But I've been out here since the late 70's.

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