The Pipeline War: Russia goes for West's jugular
The war in Georgia escalated dangerously last night after Russian jets reportedly bombed a vital pipeline that supplies oil to the West.
Submitted by Red_Wing on Sun, 2008-08-10 02:24
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The Iraq War
the gift that just keeps on giving....... to our 'enemies'.
Who could have predicted........
Of course like the Straits of Hurmoz this is all about seaports and transporting oil.
If this was a game of chess, I would say the US has been checked perhaps even check mated.
It is the economy, stupid.
Good news!
Time to rebuy all the DBO stock!
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
"Georgia and Russia were on a collision course."
"Israel rejected frequent requests for arms from Georgia in the months leading up to the outbreak of hostilities with Russia"
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
*sigh*
Georgians Slog to Safety, Seething at the West
When they met Western journalists they all asked the same thing. Where is the West.
“The biggest problem here is you, your country,” he said. “You said that the Soviets were an evil empire, but it’s you that are the empire.
“Not you personally, of course,” he added. “But your government.”
One, [soldier] who gave his name as Major Georgi, spoke with anger.
“Write exactly what I say,” he said. “Over the past few years, I lived in a democratic society. I was happy. And now America and the European Union are spitting on us.”
The worst agony of a hope destroyed.
It is the economy, stupid.
Thanks for posting ....?
Kind of funny to me though that, of all the stories on the internet about this, and all the passages in those stories to pick from, you picked that one?
Never want to miss a chance to America Bash I suppose? Or do you blame Bush for this too? In which case it would be Bush bashing, and make perfect sense coming from you. ;-0
What do you suggest, run to their rescue, face off with Russia, or condemn ourselves for defeating Communism?
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
Much better to close your eyes
and pretend like all is roses and honey?
I suggest having a little more vision and foresight into the consequences of your actions, so you can avoid this type of tragedy.
Maybe blatantly selling drones to Georgia to spy on Russia wasn't such a hot idea.
Why in the hell did the US friendly Georgia decide to push against Russia NOW? It was stupid, stupid, stupid. Especially knowing how many influential US personel are there that could have discouraged this aggression.
Did Georgia think the US was militarily willing and desirous of going to war with Russia to protect them? Although I grant you that McCain would likely relish the thought of a world conflict.
It is the economy, stupid.
William Kristol a Horrible Writer
Hack Extraordinaire
Is this the neo-cons backdoor stepping stone to get Iran?
God I despise William Kristol. He is so eager to sacrifice other peoples children, including the good people of Georgia, because he is obsessed with Iran.
It is the economy, stupid.
I'll take your advice and apply it here...
Hmmm.... I suggest Iran having a little more vision and foresight into the consequences of their actions, so they can avoid some type of tragedy.
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
IF you had been paying attention
(and not being brainwashed by that extremist Rush Limbaugh) you would have seen that Iran reached out it's hand to the US several times. They stood with us after 9/11. Helped us fight in Afganistan after 9/11.
And with typical cowboy hubris Bush slapped them down, as he did others who refused to agree with him on invading Iraq, thereby alienating the world community and Iran.
It's stupid to keep poking sticks at Iran when a huge majority of the young people there have been strongly pro-Western. By threatening to attack them for their energy plans of using nuclear energy for electricity to conserve their oil supplies.
The people of Iran complain that their leaders waste money on war, while the Iranian middle class sinks lower. Sounds familiar.
IN hindsight Bush had no foresight. He had many opportunities to tamp down tempers in Iran and Russia but chose to poke sticks instead.
Which is exactly what he did in Georgia with his little war toys, the newest drone planes crossing Russia's border to play cowboy spy games. He goaded Iraq the same way, with cross border bites, trying to anger them into first strike. Russia is not so naive.
It is the economy, stupid.
Is there anything about America you do like?
How about the fact that our government doesn't come and drag your posterior out off your house in the middle of the day and take you to the town square and flog you for having ideas contrary to your governments.
Poor misunderstood Iran!
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
The soft patriotism of low expectations
is I guess what you'd call that :)
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Leave them be
Not to mention that the pro-Western youth would have made significant inroads toward transforming Iran to a liberal democracy if Georgie wouldn't have made the Axis of Evil speech.
The main thing holding together Iran is a renewed hatred of America that was significantly waning earlier in the decade.
I never broke the law; I am the law! --
George W. BushJudge DreddI'm listening to...
Danzig
Not to mention Kristol's selective ["negative" only] use of the word jihadist. The muslims in Iraq fighting for "democracy" can be jihadist too.
I took the Kristol's quote you used a different way, at face value.
I do take some issue with some constantly and selectively evoking WWII with a self convinced 20/20 hindsight which only paints a possible/ or current war as "the good fight" [with a still distorted history of events].
As if evoking the Black Hand and WWI wouldn't be equally as close.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Of course I am in dissension... ;-)
...I believe both he and his father to be great contributors to American political discourse!
And I agree with him in the point he makes in this article.
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
Upon further review:
Bill Kristol just might dance in the streets if anything the US does provokes Iran into an "unprovoked response"
Well, Billy's dad was a Troskyist for a while, I wonder where Billy got his ideas for a global war to establish democracies.
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Kristol is a sloppy writer
I don't put much stock in Kristol's enumeration of the 'facts', since he had no clue the difference between Sunni and Shiite, and postulated the there would be no civil war between these two age old tribes in Iraq, and proclaimed forcefully that post invasion Iraq would be a love-in.
I do give Kristol credit for having the President's ear, which greatly concerns me.
It gives me no comfort that that Kagan fellow, one of the bigger idiot idealists for war known as a neo-con has John McCain's ear and is one of his foreign policy advisers.
Bush and McCain both knew that Georgia cross border attacks have been goading Russia for some time now. (Idiots!)
[edited for sloppy spelling :-)]
It is the economy, stupid.
Nazi-soviet Axis?
huh? Am I missing something here? Were the Russians and the Germans allied at some point in WW2 and I'm not remembering because I know for damn sure they spent most of the war killing each other at prodigious rates. The USSR had 23 million deaths between civilans and military and that's out of a total of 72 million for the whole world. It's staggering. The only country that comes close is China (20 million deaths) but that was out of a much bigger population. Russian losses to stop the Axis were just unimaginable.
WW2 casualties
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
You need to brush up on your WW2 history....
Of course they were
, until Hitler decided to make the biggest mistake of his life and move east on Russia.
"A society that puts equality before freedom will have neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both." ~ Milton Friedman
On further review
I still find the term "Nazi-Soviet Axis" to be excessively hyperbolic:
Wiki
A non-agression pact doesn't seem to really qualify. Japan and Italy (and the Vichy French) all joined with German in an Axis. They formed a direct alliance, made war on common enemy. That's something totally different than what the USSR did.
By this logic we might as well talk about a Nazi-British Axis (or Nazi-US Axis). That makes just as much sense.
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Soviet Union
fully cooperated with the Nazis so Hitler didn't have to concern himself by being attacked from the east while he was conquering the western Europe.
Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
SU actually directly supported Hitler's military invasion of Poland by invading Poland from the east and occupying eastern half of it until the Nazi attacked SU in 41.
Sic semper tyrannis
Russia, crossing the Rubicon.
"Russian tanks advanced toward the Georgian city of Gori [outside of "Separatist" Area] "
Russia wants "living space?
I guess by that, the defense official meant "[We hoped Georgia would have capitulated by now]"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biZlqZVrB58
Russia gave citizens of South Ossetia, Russian passports {Russian citizens], so that Russia would have a built in excuse to "defend" the people of South Ossetia.
Georgia opened themselves up a can of worms...
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
My guess
is that Russia will back off militarily but use that concession to force installation of a puppet government in Georgia.
There's always the possibility that this could suck in the west, but if things move quickly I don't see that happening.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
"The Pipeline War"
I noticed the same name given to the Georgia-Russian conflict on TMR
What is with that? That really dilutes the fact that Georgia was the 1st belligerent in this mess.
Or is it that, some see Russia as slowly squeezing Georgia in hopes that Georgia would respond and Russia could get an "unconditional surrender" and then take over the oil route in Georgia?
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
BP is Still unaware of any attacks on pipelines in the region
Oil rose after BP Plc said it shut down an oil pipeline that runs through Georgia as a precautionary measure
If BP was/will become aware that they suffered loses, they would have to record the loses when they are reasonably assumed to have occurred [otherwise it is accounting fraud].
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Russian Roreign Minister claims that...
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,