Tuesday Open Thread

I am back - was supposed to return Sunday, but the flight got canceled and I got in this morning right after midnight... Fun stuff. So I was out of any TV/internet range until this morning. Is Obama about to pick a VP or what? Kaine??

Feel free to add news stories here! Really busy back at work.

Edit by stinerman: The longest serving Republican in the Senate, Ted Stevens has been indicted on seven counts of making false statements in conjunction with an investigation into possible ethics violations.

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Unitarians...

An unemployed resident of Powell, Tennessee, Jim D. Adkisson, opened fire with a shotgun and killed two people at a Unitarian Universalist church.

In 2004, Texas Comptroller, Carole Keeton Strayhorn, ruled that the Unitarian Universalism was not a religion. She then revoked Red River Unitarian Universalist Church in Denison, Texas of it's tax-exempt status. However, within weeks, Strayhorn reversed her decision.

As for Adkisson, he decided it was a good thing to kill people because their religious calling contradicted his views.

Carole Keeton Strayhorn just doesn't like a dearth of dogma.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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McCain's chief foreign policy aide and spokesman Randy

Scheunemann has some questionable policy positions as per this TPM article:

"As a top aide to then-Senate GOP leader Trent Lott, Scheunemann helped draft -- and acted as a driving force behind -- the 1998 Iraq Liberation Act (ILA), which essentially made "regime change" the official Iraq policy of the US.

Scheunemann was a board member of Bill Kristol's Project for a New American Century, which played a major role in agitating for the war. Scheunemann signed Kristol's influential letter to President Bush, sent nine days after 9/11, which asserted that failing to respond to the Al Qaeda attack by going after Saddam would "constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender in the war on international terrorism." Scheunemann also served as a "consultant" to Donald Rumsfeld's Pentagon while it was planning the war. And in late 2002, Scheunemann, with administration approval, founded the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq (CLI), an advocacy group with the explicit goal of whipping up pro-war sentiment across the country.

Scheunemann was a crucial Washington backer of Ahmad Chalabi, the now-disgraced Iraqi exile who helped feed the CIA false intelligence on Saddam's WMD program and has since been accused of giving US state secrets to Iran. In the years leading up to the invasion, the two were so tight that the spokesman for Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress shared a Washington address with both CLI and Scheunemann's private lobbying firm and Scheunemann was mentioned in press reports as a candidate for the job of formal envoy to the Iraqi opposition.

He argued vociferously against giving the UN a significant role in stabilizing Iraq. And he also opposed leaving any members of Saddam's Baath party in government positions."

So McCain's chief foreign policy spokesperson is wrong on everything and pigheaded about it to boot. What has happened to the Republican Party?

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I'm showing my "age"

Scheunemann signed Kristol's influential letter to President Bush, sent nine days after 9/11, which asserted that failing to respond to the Al Qaeda attack by going after Saddam would "constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender in the war on international terrorism."

That literally makes as much sense as saying that after a Taurus Bulba attack on the city of St. Canard that Darkwing Duck should go after Dr. Bushroot and the rest of "The Fearsome Five." As if Taurus was part of The Fearsome Five.

In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,

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Stevens

Will the AK GOP be able to get someone else in his seat? I think I remember there being a primary challenger.

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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Yes

Kos says that Stevens can be replaced if he resigns 48 days before the election, which is Sept. 17.

Whether or not he can be replaced if he refuses to resign is another matter altogether.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Anybody know Chet Edwards?

Never heard of the guy. I think he is the President's congressman actually. Just curious.

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Not really

I don't know him personally, but he is the President's congressman. He's a Blue Dog Democrat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chet_Edwards

Have fun!

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I'm really confused. When a candidate says they support

a position on a national stage, ie - interview, debate, what have you, What are we the citizens supposed to think when the candidates campaign comes back later and says that isn't the candidates position?

McCain has done this several times of late. He makes a statement only to be backtracked by folks at his campaign later. For example:

1) Here McCain says ALL the options are on the table for Social Security , including upping the cut off level of SS taxes and his campaign comes back later and says No, that isn't his position.

2) McCain said last weekend that he supports Arizona's ballot initiative that seeks to amend the state constitution to ban affirmative action. “I support it, yes,” said McCain when asked by host George Stephanopoulos. Later, McCain’s campaign “refused to say” it stood by McCain’s policy declaration: But McCain’s own campaign refused to say whether it stands by the candidate’s announcement that he supports the ballot initiative.

3) top econ adviser for McCain, Douglas Holtz-Eakin told Slate that just because McCain says something publicly about a policy, “that doesn’t mean it’s official.”

I don't get it. If I were to publicly contradict my boss I would surely have a short career. But McCain's campaign is doing this right and left. I can see wanting to be all things to all people, and back in the 1800's, that's exactly what politicians would do, deliver speeches to the audience they faced because no one in that audience saw the speech they gave at the previous town. But in this day and age, it's all over the intertubes & on tape.

I just don't get it.

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Enthralling and Puzzling

According to this short bio of his days as a professor Mr. Obama has always been a bit of an enigma.

CHICAGO — The young law professor stood apart in too many ways to count. At a school where economic analysis was all the rage, he taught rights, race and gender. Other junior faculty dreamed of tenured positions; he turned them down. While most colleagues published by the pound, he never completed a single work of legal scholarship.

....as a professor, students say, Mr. Obama was in the business of complication, showing that even the best-reasoned rules have unintended consequences, that competing legal interests cannot always be resolved, that a rule that promotes justice in one case can be unfair in the next.

A fascinating read, if you are interested.

It is the economy, stupid.

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An opportunity

A lot of us have been thinking about ways to encourage more participation by conservatives. Seems like we've been handed an opportunity these last few weeks if we can figure a way to take advantage of it.

The Redstate 3.0 upgrade has apparently been... ungood. Participation there is way down and bitching is way up. A number of regulars are taking breaks from the site until it seems to be functional again.

Maybe we can lure some of them here. If they find it interesting they might just stick around even if RS gets their show together.

So any ideas how? I'd particularly love to get Achance over. He's seemed disenchanted with RS for a while and he's got a wealth of insider information about Alask politics which is interesting. Blackhedd would be good too, but as he's a frontpage poster on RS that seems very unlikely. Naturally I'm not excluding the other posters, those two just leapt to mind.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Just ask

Redstate et al. are more about finding people to agree with you and assure you that you're right than substantive debate on the issues.

The only thing I'd do is make a very obvious call for people to come over here. I have a conservative/libertarian acquaintance who might create an account, but has decided to lurk for awhile.

I never broke the law; I am the law! -- George W. Bush Judge Dredd
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Going for a new harvest isn't much different on either right or

left sites.

I'm generalizing, so understand I know what I'm saying isn't 100% accurate.

It's been my observation that MOST the folks who go to DailyKos (or equivalent) or Redstate (or equivalent) don't really want to discuss the points & positions the threads there offer. A small fraction may but I think most of them want a pat on the head and have someone else tell them they are a good liberal or a good conservative.

I know, I know....that sounds somewhat condescending but just look at how the pack turns on anyone who suggests that there might be a different valid viewpoint. Both right and left do the same thing. They end up tackling the questioner and hound them out off the site.

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I agree.

Most are more interested in affirmation than deliberation. But most is not all :)

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Redstate - It's been a while

It's been awhile since I've been over there. I have an account but I don't make waves like I do here because by simply disagreeing there they pull out their Pointy Sticks and play "You're Stupid Because..."

However, I think a good way would be to do small things like including our site in the signature line when we post over there. "I Also Banter at SwordsCrossed" or something cheesy might work if enough of us post regularly there.

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Most of us

aren't real welcome there. But for those who are, sure.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Red State

I just checked it out. It reads just like a third grade blog.

The old format was much better.

I still get their now, even more stupid, action alerts even though I was blammed.

It is the economy, stupid.

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The Forvum is the SwordsCrossed model that I think

is closest. Although I do think the Forvum is somewhat more intellectual than us troglodites over here.

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I will punch you in the nuts

for saying so.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Yeah, thanks

Or if you put up a diary include a link with an "also posted at SC" or some such.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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