The Dow is opening higher over the upcoming rescue of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage companies. There is also some controversy over the New Yorker's obviously satirical portrayal of Obama and his wife.
Judge for yourself below.
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is this worth agitating over?
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The answer to free speech is more free speech.
Obama is not now, nor has he ever been a muslim.
His wife to the best of my knowledge has never carried a loaded AKA 47.
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There are lots of fun and creative ideas for other magazine covers that we can think of.
Some other ideas
for oh so funny satire:
Or:
That's a real knee slapper. Ha Ha.
That would be like hysterical satire and a real plus for John McCain to show us how brave and tough he is and how he is like a great great war hero and was a POW. Can't wait for next month's cover!
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eh who cares
Our whole office had a great laugh at the picture. :) Lovely.
Of course the Left is all up in arms because they know very few people understand satire or what the satire actually is (including 90% of the dkos members who have no clue about the concept of satire).
It's a valid concern. The Left is upset because they know the people are stupid. That is their only main argument for smashing this picture. Because people are stupid.
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What would really be funny
is if Obama made fun of it all by showing up at his next campaign event dressed like Yassir Arafat, complete with three-day growth of beard, and his wife was dressed like Angela Davis.
Of course, then Rush's head would explode and Hannity would have an aneurysm.
Hmmm. Even better.
Next month's New Yorker cover -- John McCain in a wheelchair swigging a bottle of Geritol (do they still make Geritol?) and wearing Depends. His wife stands behind him dripping in diamonds and shredding her tax returns.
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Most people who "got" the satire are already Obama voters.....
..most people who take the cover literally are likely McCain voters with no hope of bringing into Obama's camp.
Ender, you are the exception that proves the rule.
The mouth-breathing right-wing nutjobs that the New Yorker cover was satirizing won't understand that it is satire.
These are the people that think Stephen Colbert is a REAL conservative TV host (Tom Delay being one of them).
The New Yorker's cover is brilliant.... but it's too smart for the room.
(the "room" being the MSM and a large chunk of the American public)
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so satire should be avoided
for fear of people not getting it and that making it harmful to a campaign of one party? Is New Yorker the tool of the DNC?
The have an audience so why should they apologize for not appealing to the wider audience?
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Absolutely NOT! I loved the New Yorker cover.....
....combines all the B.S. right-wing Obama narratives into one scathing picture.
I just wish more of America was smart enough to "get it".
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During a Time of War
you advocate for satire....... shame on you!
Laughing while we face these grave and serious dangers is shamelessly anti-American! I wonder, do you really LOVE your country enough.
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I wonder how you would feel
if the next cover of the New Yorker, portrayed a penny pinching Jew in Yomika, bribing a politician to bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran, with a picture of the Israeli and American flagged merged together. HAHAHAHA! That would be funny.
Gosh that would be so hysterical, especially to stupid people who don't know the essence of Jewism.
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you do understand what satire is? I guess not really n/t
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I guess if it's
about you, it's not that funny.
Satire: to ridicule, exaggerate, expose, criticize, people's stupidity or vices particularly in the context of contemporary politics or other topical issues.
So yes, I think my post crosses a line as does the cover of the New Yorker. Neither is funny or enlightening.
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that satire was not "about Obama"
it was to ridicule all the people who believe all those things about Obama. Are you getting that part?
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+2, I got it!
The Cover was a shot at the 12% of people that think BHO is a practicing Muslim and other similar people. Once I learned what the New Yorker was, it became more than apparent.
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heh heh
No segment is too small ;)
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What is the intent?
It's good satire because it came from a left-leaning magazine. If the exact same picture would have been on a CCC leaflet, it'd have been slanderous.
I thought it was pretty funny because it caricatures what Obama and his wife aren't.
A similarly funny satire would be the McCain in his Depends that was mentioned down-thread. But only so long as it came from a right-wing magazine.
The intent isn't to disparage Obama, so laugh. The false outrage on the PC left is one thing I completely agree with conservatives about.
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It's a satire on a caricature
and it is filled with anti-Americanism. So it is that which I don't think is funny. It's not only racist, and anti-American, it smears a religion. It to me goes a step beyond satire.
I just don't think it's funny.
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Granted
I don't think Tim Allen is funny. Nor do I think Jeff Foxworthy or anyone on the Blue Collar Comedy Tour is funny (because they perpetuate stereotypes of people from the South).
Actually, because it's racist and smears a religion, that's exactly why it's good satire (IMHO, of course).
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actually it's not racist nor does it smear anything
it simply attacks all the people who believe ridiculous things about Obama. It's not that difficult to understand but most people don't.
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Let's just say
I am a little high strung about it!!!
I know exactly what it does, satire or no. It feeds the stereotype being pushed in the viral e-mails, by the Republicans and by some Democrats.
And I still don't think it's funny! ;-/ Grrrrrr!
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If most people don't understand
it, then it is not effective satire.
Since the damn cover has been all over the TV, it is going to end up just reinforcing the stereotype for the 29% of the people that think that Obama took his oath of office on the Koran.
Yes. It is still offensive. It is satire that fails it's job. The so called victims of the satire are nowhere to be found on the cover, therefore Obama who is the victim of the stereotype becomes the victim of the satire. That IS not the way satire is supposed to work.
After calm review, that is my conclusion. :-/
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MissL... I respectfully disagree
EVERY single report about the New Yorker cover has had an accompanying story outlining how EACH of the things portrayed in the picture is categorically false.
To the 29%-ers who are just paying attention to the race now... they are seeing their beliefs about Obama debunked in every newscast about the cover.
If they STILL choose to believe them, then they were lost causes anyway.
I think you'll see that the New Yorker cover is having a positive effect for Obama.
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That part IS true
but you are forgetting the low information voters, the 'Reagan Democrats' who don't read elitist reports or watch much news.
You and I are paying acute attention.
If low information voters, happen to see this picture on the nightly news, or on a shelf somewhere, it just reinforces their perception that Obama is 'scary and looks like 'the enemy'. There is no clue in the photo that the 'satire' is about people NOT in the photo and the rumors they have heard. Therefore the satire fails.
The photo just screams 'radical traitor, and dangerous America hater'. Nothing more.
To be effective satire, the photo should be framed in a newspaper, while regular folks sit around the kitchen table, with a caption that says, "Look Pa. He is a muslim just like you said. And his wife looks like she wants to get even with somebody. "
That would be effective satire, showing the target of the satire is not the Obamas, but uninformed or intentionally misled voters.
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Next thing one know's,
Next thing one know's, people will find the The Onion offensive
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I know
I know that, but I'm trying to do the discussing on ML's terms.
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kisses for that!
and thank you's too! I appreciate your communication efforts & skills. :)
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Big attack in Afghanistan
Story
Additionally the surge has officially ended with the removal of the last additional troops. It will be interesting to see if violence begins ratcheting upwards again.
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Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Liberals starting to wonder whether we can afford spending?
Interesting diary on Mydd
(top of rec list):
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I don't think UHC is as good example
Since all the serious evaluations have shown it at least breaks even compared to the current system. Some show it to be substantially more cost effective, but break even (for better service) is more realistic.
Still it is an interesting gedanken.
Let's consider some major liberal platforms-
1) Economic issues. Here the liberals should do well. Hard economic times encourage populism and most liberal positions are pretty populist (progressive tax schemes for example).
2) Civil rights issues. Not so good. Economic woes will strangle popular interest in these issues and it is only by maintaining popular indignation against personal intrusions that liberals have any hope of fighting back. Additionally hard times will most likely dry up a lot of donations to groups like the ACLU.
3) Social issues. Probably little effect. Abortion rights may gain a small boost since abortion is often tied to issues of poverty.
4) Military issues. Probably a net loser for libs. The military is, like it or not, a cash cow for certain parts of the country, not to mention an employment program for a certain slice of the electorate. Not to mention that foreign wars can serve as excellent distractions from, and rationalizations for, domestic hardship.
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I just noticed Redstate 3.0 is up
Hmm... any thoughts? I imagine they did a lot of stuff behind the scenes to make it easier for users to find content, but I don't have the time or inclination to poke around and kick the tires.
I will say that their idea of promoting local politics and providing a platform for organization on a local level strikes me as very good.
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it's not good
doesn't look good and doesn't feel good. The commenting structure is horrendous - not sure if it's actually worse than the ugliness that preceded it.
For whatever they spent (100k+??) I would imagine one could get a far superior product.
It looks disjointed. The color scheme sucks.
One of the few things that's cool is the User Diaries block.
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Can't say I'm impressed
I don't like the color scheme or the layout all that much (it looks very much like separate pieces all glued together haphazardly).
Like Ender I wonder what exactly they got for their money...
The site seems pretty clunky, although that may easily be startup stuff that'll get addressed. Some of the comments make me suspicious as to RS future and whether Eagle is all that happy with their purchase (but I may be reading too much into them).
I give it a solid "meh."
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The Gov't is bailing out Fannie and Freddie.....
Whatever happened to the "invisible hand" of the free market?
I guess Republicans DO believe in government micromanagement of the economy.....
....when it suits them.
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Hey Ender..... the Dow is NOT up.... It's been down all day
Down 41 at the moment.
Just a refresher... the Dow was 10,535 on January 20, 2001.
almost 8 years later, it is 11,050.... and dropping.
Bush's presidency has been a disaster.
Bill Clinton inherited a Dow that was around 3,300..... and left office with it at that 10,535 number.
My 401K thanks you, President Sh*tstain
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when I wrote it
it was up :) Or do you want me to revise my divinely inspired screed?
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You must've wrote it one minute after the opening bell...
....
;-)
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a few minutes here and there :) n/t
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Three points
1) A president taking credit for the economy is like a weatherman taking credit for the sunrise.
2) The DJIA is not a good measure for the health of the economy.
3) 401(k) plans are not safe investments. In fact any investment in the stock market, historically speaking, hasn't been a very good one. In the 50s and 60s, a simple savings account would have given better returns than any stock market index.
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Overstated
I've heard this before but i think it overstates the case. A weatherman has no effect on the sun rising. On the other hand the President does have a fair amount of input on the economy. Probably more than any other human being (including the various CEOs and super riche of the world). He has a fair amount of influence in setting the US budget and great power in the actual use of the funds that pass congress. He has the ability to enforce or ignore various regulatory policies. He also has influence on the Fed. Lastly, but not insignificantly since the economy is so heavily based on perception, the president has a great big media platform from which he can try and mold views of the economy.
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I am finally getting better
and over being sick - have mono (yes finally figured out what it is)... What a sucky little disease it is. Especially the whole spleen trying to attack everything else inside thing!
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Don't want to freak you out
but Mono seems somewhat connected to MS. Talking with my neurologist he was quite interested when I mentioned I had mono back in high school (didn't suck too much for me, I just slept through about a month).
Seems that it is extremely common to find residual mono virus in MS sufferers. However that's not at all the same as saying everyone who gets mono eventually develops MS. It does appear to play some role though. Worth keeping in mind.
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thanks for mentioning it.
I'll keep that in mind.
It wasn't too bad - mostly just fever, headaches, and sore throat for a week - well and now the enlarged spleen (the most disturbing)... But, my job is mostly sedentary and the most of the rest of the time I spent in bed.
Seems like a lot of people around me have had mono in the past.
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It is pretty common
Source
Again- just something to keep in mind (as opposed to something to freak the ^%$# out about). Mostly I just want to keep you on your toes :)
On edit- Hah! You had herpes. Oh... wait. So did I. Damn it.
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heh
I guess there is herpes family, and then there is "herpes".
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