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Saddam Hussein was Sunni

He put down several rebellions by the Shia and mainly relied on Sunnis in his administration. Remember shortly after the invasion when most of our trouble came from "dead enders" in the Sunni regions of Iraq?

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Typo correctted

Iran was mostly Shia, and Saddam was Sunni...al Qaeda is religious, Saddam was not.

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on a roll

You were really on a roll when you wrote the above piece. That one point just tripped me up a little. As far as typos go, it doesn't match up to the worst (best?) I've ever seen, when someone wrote "inciteful" when they meant "insightful"

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Hmmm...

I find that particular video very disturbing as well. But for a whole different set of reasons.

I won't go through the issues line by line, but suffice it to say, we have been fighting the war on terror in Iraq, we have killed the enemy in large numbers and have them back on their heels -FLASH - During that same period of time we in America have enjoyed a terror free environment!

Like the war in Iraq or not, it was, and is the right thing to do. And when we finish cleaning house there, we will continue to kill terrorists throughout Afghanistan and into the badlands of Pakistan, until the last terrorist standing is killed. (Funny enough, since his trip, and getting all excited about redeploying our troops, it sounds like BHO now agrees on that much!)

Sounds radical, not to me.

What would we be like today if...oh, lets say in WW2, having the enemy back on its heels, retreating into the relative safety of their homeland, Roosevelt made the unthinkable decision to redeploy Patton and the US troops to the south Pacific believing we had done our part, or the war had cost to much, or the toll in lives had become enough?

Spreken zie Deutsch Brutus?

So when I see BHO espousing concepts about these foreign policy and CIC issues, I shudder!

And it goes farther than the video even shows, like BHO making policy statements on Iraq, without ever consulting Gen. Patraeus?

Barack Obama would be the most liberal, radically oriented POTUS in US history.

His personal and professional associations, lack of experience, inability to stay committed to his positions, taxes, spending, immigration, etc., etc., etc. all point to a big thumbs down for the Jr Senator from Ill.

So, I thought the video was very well done and on point!

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Let's drage a WWII into this.. the US doesn't exist in a vacuum.

What would we be like today if...oh, lets say in WW2, having the enemy back on its heels, retreating into the relative safety of their homeland, Roosevelt made the unthinkable decision to redeploy Patton and the US troops to the south Pacific believing we had done our part, or the war had cost to much, or the toll in lives had become enough?

Spreken zie Deutsch Brutus?

When is this so called time of "having the enemy back on its heels, retreating into the relative safety of their homeland, " which would all be turned around if FDR focused on the Japanese Empire. favicon

1: The Germans still occupied foreign territory far from Deutschland when they surrendered.
2: The Soviets did a lot of the heavy lifting near the tail end of the European Theater after, and before, the Battle of the Bulge. Over 450,000 thousand Soviet soldiers died taking Berlin, zero Americans [Harry must have done the unthinkable and gave up]
3: Are you implying that the current Iraqi army are like the Soviets and both are too inept to do anything right ?
4: Iraq is now a sovereign state now.
5: NIMBY is not a good cause to go to war, "We're fighting "them" [in the Iraqi's front yard, back yard, and in their houses] so that "they" don't come over here."

Like the war in Iraq or not, it was, and is [a] thing to do. And when we [and by "we" I mean people unlike me that are in the American military] finish cleaning house there, "we" will continue to kill terrorists throughout Afghanistan and into the badlands of Pakistan, until the last terrorist standing is killed.

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I have trouble...

...being as presumptuous as you, and thinking I have somehow a better grip of the details than General David Petraeus!

A man who spent his entire lifetime studying the art of war.

A man who has as intimate an understanding of the nature of the conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan as anyone on the planet.

We should move the troops when, and deploy them where, he and his colleagues find appropriate.

BHO should not politicize these men's and woman's jobs. Not in a time of war. Not when they have been called to, and died for this cause.

It would be a spit in the face of all Americans to undo the good work that has been done, especially by a politician, an inexperienced, naive, radical liberal politician at that.

It goes right to the heart of that video, he is out of touch with what is really going on in the world, and as John McCain so aptly put it, "BHO is willing to lose a war to win an election".

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You remind me of another poster

here, GoRight.

He is like a walking talking memo for right wing talking points.

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It is the economy, stupid.

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You remind me of...

...Barack Obama.

Talk a lot, but say very little, if anything substantive!

All you've done is talk trash, you've not made one legitimate point in this whole thread regarding the issues at hand.

Ok, Miss Liberty, lets be friends. If I'm so off base, it would be an easy task for a liberal like yourself to straighten out the mis-characterizations you seem to find inherent in my "talking points" as you call my views?

Lets talk about the issues and see where it leads us. Isn't that the premise of why we're here?

(By the way, if you think I sound like a Republican, gee, I wonder what you think you sound like?)

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The problem

as I see it is that some have an inherent contempt and disrespect for those with whom they disagree.

As for straightening you out, I think it's too late. :)

What makes politics so difficult is that our system is set up so that to get things done of necessity you must compromise. At this time, there is an awful lot of money or lobbyist influence that is circumventing the democratic process.

I am at war with wedge issue politics. I hate it. I despise it.

Flaring folks up about Paris Hilton and Hitler really doesn't serve the peoples needs, and is a mask for the real reason that some folks want to stay in power. They want to keep the money in their own hands. But as we see from your posts, once a lie gets started, it doesn't even matter if it's a lie. The contagion spreads like wildfire, and presto, Barack Obama is Hitler in disguse, ready to 'kill whitey' and keep black people on welfare for life, or some other foolish dribble.

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It is the economy, stupid.

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How in the world do you...

...come to that conclusion?

I guess no matter what the question is about BHO, it becomes a part of some larger fantastic story telling? Hey, great tatic. Won't work, but it's clever. Anytime anyone asks a question about him, you can just call him a racist of some sort, or bring up some internet rumors?

How sad.

I brought up legitimate, FACT based information, information that whether you like it or not, makes Americans very concerned, and rightly so in my opinion!

Facts. And you can't deal? Wow? I expected more.

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Not to mention...

Red_Wing is attacking positions that I never advocated.

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This was replyed to Miss L, sorry for the confusion. :-)

If you are referring to the posts up above, I was directing my comments to you yes, comment and address it above if you think it was not on point?

I was engaging you in debate, given what I gleaned from your posts elsewhere.

If I was wrong, I apologize.

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So say we all.

John McCain... put it, "BHO is willing to lose a war to win an election".

This has all been said before, McCain is working off the script of a cable sci-fi show. favicon

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12 Monkeys

Barack Obama would be the most liberal, radically oriented POTUS in US history.

His personal and professional associations, lack of experience, inability to stay committed to his positions, taxes, spending, immigration, etc., etc., etc. all point to a big thumbs down for the Jr Senator from Ill.

I'm sorry if I don't believe the Cassandras favicon of the world.

"His personal and professional associations"
[Chester Arthur] came into office handicapped by a record in machine politics and grave doubt as to his ability and integrity, but his administration proved honest, efficient, and dignified. He effectively supported the civil service reform act of 1883. favicon

"lack of experience" favicon

"radically oriented" favicon

etc

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I'm not sure...

...that is sufficient evidence to erase any doubts regarding Barack Obama?

Why no evidence, facts, or supporting information as to why we should not feel this way, all we ever seem to get is accusations, conjecture, and hyperbole?

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