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. Happy Fourth, enjoy the picnics and fireworks. Open thread.
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Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
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Image from here , full text of Declaration here
. Happy Fourth, enjoy the picnics and fireworks. Open thread.
__________________________
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Strolling down memory lane,
here
is the July 4 open thread from last year.
It contains a nice picture of fireworks in SL from purpleface and a gripping play-by-play account of the hot dog eating contest from yours truly, among other things.
__________________________Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Happy 4th. Let us celebrate the efforts that led to our country
and if you can get a chance to today, let your Senator & Congresscritters know how you feel about how they voted for the newest FISA bills. In person if you can.
It's cute. Normally politicians love the 4th & make big political appearances and all. Good day to stoke the voters & get some positive face time in the news. Out here in SF though, Diane Feinstein won't release her 4th's itinerary & appearance list because of "terrorism & security" issues. That is so lame. She just doesn't want her constituents to get in her face & tell her she isn't doing what they want. Political cowardness in my book. If you're going to brook what your voters tell you have the good grace to face up to them and tell them exactly why you aren't listening to their points of view.
I am living in a delusional world thinking that leaders should act like adults and in a responsible and upright manner though, eh?
Happy 4th anyhow all.
RIP Jesse Helms
Former Sen. Jesse Helms dies at 86
__________________________"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
I actually wasted time this morning
Arguing with DKos posters and troll-rating one diarist who insisted on posting a "May he burn in hell" diary. I despised Helms when he was in the Senate but that's just low class.
Which brings up the question -- Are there some people who were just so evil that their deaths should be celebrated (Pol Pot, for instance) ?
__________________________qui tacet consentire
MC Hawkings - Why Won't Jesse Helms just hurry up and...
Jason Friedberg
deserves to be burn in a rubbish heap. Aaron Seltzer too
. Those two have no redeeming qualities and are worse than a Louisiana politician.
__________________________In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Vicarously?
I'd say sure one could celebrate----if you yourself were directly harmed by them. Otherwise, it's just self-indulgent hubris on one's part to assume for yourself the mantle of such righteousness. From the bleachers, we can say so-and-so was an awful leader, did bad things, made bad decisions, probably beat his wife and forgot to bathe, too; but to celebrate his death and stand in final judgment seems to assume a level of familiarity with the entirety of his character and actions that the vast majority of people cannot have.
Or, to be succinct and steal your phrase: it's just low class.
Hello, and happy Fourth, everyone.
__________________________don't ask me, I'm just improvising
Political Compass Score: Econ L/R -0.12 Social Lib/Auth -1.33
As an atheist, I don't believe anybody "burns in hell"...
Let's just say that I hope Senator Helms is having a very unpleasant decomposition period.
__________________________“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.” --- Albert Einstein
FSM
This might be up your alley
__________________________Flying Spaghetti Monster sightings
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Thank you...... nice site....
I remember reading about the "FSM" for the first time in Carl Sagan's book:
The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
That book, and the chapter entitled "Baloney Detection Kit" is one of the greatest books ever written... as far as I'm concerned.
In the past few years, I've lost my two biggest heroes...... Carl Sagan and George Carlin.
__________________________“Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.” --- Albert Einstein
Ramen
Flying Spaghetti Monster Statue Installed On Courthouse Lawn
__________________________In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Helms gave up
a seat for my wife (she was just a girl of 12* or so then) on a train when she visited D.C.
I don't like his politics, but he seemed a decent fellow.
Happy Independence Day everyone!
*Edit: Oops, I guess she was 17.
boo boo
It is the economy, stupid.
Papa Specter
The people in the South are always polite.
Good to see you name in print! Hope your family is well, and your dog is walked!
__________________________It is the economy, stupid.
This "good thing" reminds me of a t-shirt that tshirthell sells.
I'm willing to bet that your wife is a white Caucasian.
__________________________In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
As opposed to a black Caucasian?
qui tacet consentire
They put "white Caucasian" and "Caucasian other" on those forms
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,
Yes, she's white
Do you think Helms would have relived a Rosa Parks moment even 35+ years after the fact? :-)
American Family Association (AFA) launches boycott of McDonald's
According to AFA, Ronald McDonald and his gang are part of giant gay agenda:
"It is about McDonald’s, as a corporation, refusing to remain neutral in the culture wars. McDonald’s has chosen not to remain neutral but to give the full weight of their corporation to promoting the homosexual agenda, including homosexual marriage...AFA is upset at McDonald’s for refusing to condemn Vice President of Communications Richard Ellis’s decision to serve on the Board of Directors of the National Gay & Lesbian Chamber of Commerce (NGLCC)...Although AFA tries to make clear that it is NOT protesting McDonald’s “hiring homosexuals” or “homosexuals eating at McDonald’s,” as Good As You notes, “Whether it’s a direct attack on gay customer or employees or an attack on particular employees role in a pro-gay capacity, this situation is still about the company supporting diversity (something the AFA resists at every turn).”
And don't you know that Jesus himself said God loves teh gays but they got to stay in the closet. I'm sure he did.
What Josh Marshall said: Please, Please, Reporters with Brains
"The McCain camp seems to have a lot of reporters eating out of its hands
since many journalists don't appear to grasp the basic distinction between strategy and tactics. I've even had normally sensible journalist colleagues forwarding me RNC press releases like they're passing on the revealed truth. McCain's campaign actually put out a statement claiming that Obama "has now adopted John McCain's position that we cannot risk the progress we have made in Iraq by beginning to withdraw our troops immediately without concern for conditions on the ground."
I've watched this campaign unfold pretty closely. And I've listened to Obama's position on Iraq. He's been very clear through this year and last on the distinction between strategy and tactics. Presidents set the strategy -- which in this context means the goal or the policy. And if the policy is a military one, a President will consult closely with his military advisors on the tactics used to execute the policy.
This is an elementary distinction the current occupant in the White House has continually tried to confuse by claiming that his policies are driven and constrained by the advice he's given by his commanders on the ground. There's nothing odd or contradictory about Obama saying that he'll change the policy to one of withdrawal of American combat troops from Iraq with a specific timetable but that he will consult with his military advisors about how best to execute that policy.
For the McCain campaign to put out a memo to reporters claiming that Obama has adopted McCain's policy only shows that his advisors believe that a sizable percentage of the political press is made up of incorrigible morons. And it's hard to disagree with the judgment."
fireworks pictures
Ok, so these kind of suck... anyone take some good pictures tonight or see a particularly nice show?


__________________________Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
After an uneventful July 4th,
I went with a bunch of other people from my building, stood on the nearby highway overpass and watched the fireworks from there. It was a beautiful show of fireworks, even though it was somewhat obscured this year by smoke. Due to the crumbling infrastructure and the fact that somebody had been hit by a passing car last year during the fireworks, car parking on the overpass was banned. However, nothing was made of people standing on t he bridge.
I heard somewhere that bridges
aren't designed to be able to have the weight of as many cars on them as could fit, because under typical traffic conditions there's only a fraction of that total weight at any given time.
If so, that seems a bit short-sighted, but I can see why they'd prohibit parking under those circumstances.
Sounds like a nice show.
__________________________Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
I can understand why they don't want cars parking on the bridge,
Brendan. First of all, the infrastructure on that bridge ( and our country's infrastructure as a whole) is crumbling, and even the newer infrastructures are quite screwed up, as stories about our Big Dig indicate. The pressure's too heavy, on the long run. Secondly, because of the blockage of 1-2 lanes on a highway that has 3 relatively narrow lanes on each side, it causes a lot of traffic back-ups. So, I believe there's justification for banning parking on the bridge(s).
The entire family
is sick, so we stayed in. We live about a mile from where they had a large fireworks display, so I stepped out on my back patio to watch for a few minutes. The little one (turned 1 year old on Wed.!) got a bit fussy, so I went back in and I was relegated to watching this instead:
http://www.maylin.net/Fireworks.html
Sorry your family was sick, Specter.
Being sick, particularly on a holiday, is no fun. Glad you got to watch at least some of the fireworks, t hough.
Thanks,
It's been making it's rounds through the family for almost a week now, so hopefully we are over it soon. It is not fun to watch a one-year old puke.
How was your 4th?
Edit: Oops, I guess you answer my question above. I suppose I should read the entire thread. My blogging/commenting skills are a bit rusty. :-)
Awesome link
Hope y'all feel better soon.
__________________________Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
4th of July Photo
It came out blurry cause everyone was too drunk to hold still! :)
If you can make it out, that is a Spudzooka. It shoots potatoes and makes a very loud noise.
__________________________It is the economy, stupid.
For those of you who sort of jumped on me or who've avoided me
for stating outright that I didn't like or trust Obama very much--that I knew he'd do what he's been doing:
His capitulation on the FISA Bill, and, more recently on abortion rights was not surprising. I thought that BHO was a total phoney to begin with. All his talk about hope, change, unity, etc., yada yada yada.. was/is a bunch of hooey, and I didn't go for it from the start. His sleek, slick style, which exuded a rather phoney charisma turned me off from the beginning, and I knew he'd pull stuff like this. Anyone who thinks the media is pulling this out of its butt is just as gullible as the people who backed REagan, Bush I and Bush II. Not that I like McCain, either, but I'm not voting for either one of them in the fall Anybody who's got problems with that...too bad.
But NARAL said his statement
was fully consistent with Roe. The Bush-backed partial birth abortion ban doesn't have an exception for health of the mother at all, and Obama consistently has said that there must be an exception in bans for the health of the mother.
I think he's just making it clear that health really means health and won't be used as a catch-all to justify any elective abortion. If, as is often stated, there are very few elective late-term abortions that aren't conducted because of the health of the mother, then there shouldn't be any problem either way.
__________________________Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Sorry, Brendan, but I disagree here.
He went completely back on abortion rights, and, given his sleek, slick, phony charisma-ridden style, it's not surprising that he did that. Moreover, it's a pregnancy that could/does often enough endanger the overall health, well-being and very life of a woman. If Obama refuses to accept health as a ways of justifying abortion, that's something else I disagree with.
He does accept health
He said he didn't accept "mental distress" but does accept health.
It's not entirely clear what he meant by "mental distress" but I take it to mean that he wants there to be a medically identifiable risk to the physical wellbeing of the mother. I think that's reasonable, and apparently NARAL does too, so I don't think that pro-choicers have any cause for alarm.
__________________________Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Sorry, Brendan, but "mental distress" is a legitimate reason
for a woman to have an abortion also, even if it is late into the term.
Therefore, this:
is something that I take issue with and disagree with. Mental distress means that a woman's mental health is also threatened by an unwanted pregnancy, or pregnancy, period. Also, health includes physical and mental health alike. I realize that you've loyally supported BHO all along, which is your right--you're entitled, but I honestly knew all along that he couldn't be trusted, and, moreover, after his capitulation on the FISA Bill, that his capitulation to abortion rights was next. Sorry, but I'm not supporting or voting for either BHO or McCain this fall.
With all due respect, Independentminded
I would pick a candidate who would keep exceptions for some late-term abortions and keep other abortions legal rather than creating the opportunity for his opponent (McCain) to abolish all abortions through anti-choice
judges.
You are entitled to your opinion, but I would not let your personal distaste for Obama get in the way of the overall big picture here.
Here's another point, Specter:
Considering what Barack Obama claims to stand for, and with all his lofty talk about hope, change, unity, etc., both of his capitulations on the FISA Bill and on abortion rights were extremely hypocritical. Anybody (and it doesn't matter who they are, or what their political stripe may be) who opts to throw any part of our constitution or abortion rights under the bus can't be trusted to protect them as POTUS, nor does he deserve that post. Imho, one does. not. have to be a McCain supporter to realize this.
Also, Specter, the fact that the Democratic Party in general has consistently self-destructed by picking lousy candidates has paved the way for the Republicans, especially Reagan, Bush I and Bush II, and possibly McCain, to achieve a victory. The Democratic party hasn't learned. No matter who gets to be our next POTUS, be it Obama or McCain, we're seriously screwed, in more ways than one. I've been saying this for months, and lots of people are clearly embarassed because they realize now, that i've been right.
are you trying to
convince us not to vote for the democratic nominee? Is that your point?
I am not embarrassed.
__________________________It is the economy, stupid.
No--you can vote for whoever the hell you want, sweetie.
I'm just telling you that I 'm not voting for either one of them....period.
mental distress.....
It sounds like you are having a chronic case of 'mental distress' in relation to the Presidential nominees, but I don't think it's life threatening or a danger to your health :)
ammunition
Since you always include H as a significant initial there is the possibility of an unsolved mystery relating the origins of birth being thrown out by some which you can enjoy here
There is a group of others
that are similarly distressed as yourself where you can vent your frustrations with those who share your sympathies.
__________________________It is the economy, stupid.
Excuse me, missliberties, but, first of all, as your first
paragraph indicates, you're moving into a somewhat insulting tone here, which is completely and totally unnecessary.
Secondly, this:
makes it sound like you're the one having caniptions over my differences of opinion from yours, and, if you don't mind my saying so, you're being kind of a jerk here.
Also, since this is a blog where I can speak my mind, I'll feel free to do so. You're right...I really don't like or trust either one of this year's presidential nominees, and I'm sick and tired of having to vote for the lesser of two evils.
Why are you so angry
It seems like lately you always want to pick a fight. I will be happy to oblidge you.
Mental distress is hardly a reason to terminate a pregnancy at such a late date. Mental distress is the weakest of terms and can be used to describe many states of mind that are not a danger to the health of the mother.
My 'jerk' opinion is that you are completely over-reacting as is often the case with many on the left. The stereotypical description of the 'angry knee jerk liberal' is exactly what I as a lefty would like to get away from, and this hyper-ventilation over the term mental distress is so predictably typical of that stereotype.
Further these late term abortions are extremely extremely rare, and have been drummed up as wedge issue by the right, to offer the worst graphic description of liberals as communist baby killers. So your reaction is plays right into Republican framing just like the count on. Immoral liberal baby mama is depressed (mental distress) today and wants to kill her baby now that she is eight months along.
I am fascinated by all these attacks on Obama as first a Christian far left radical, then a muslim radical, now he is moving too too far to the center. The 'logic' that all these arguments are stitched together with is bizarre, in my opinion. From the beginning of his campaign many on the far left were not happy with Obama for not being 'progressive' enough, so I don't see his positions as being inconsistent generally, and I do see them as being politically brilliant.
After all if folks think he is a muslim ( which he is absolutely not) and he opposes FISA to fight the war on terror, he is obviously planning on joining forces with terrorists to overthrow America, which is exactly what the RNC is lusting for. You would need a brigade of mops to clean up the drool of the swiftboaters, if Obama filibustered on FISA, as the gleefully unload their vault of pre-made ads against Obama.
__________________________It is the economy, stupid.
sorry, missliberties, but I think that you're the one who got
nasty and insulting here, and, since I poke back when poked, that's precisely what I did.
Also, my politics tend to be more mixed than you realize, if you read some of my other threads/posts here on Swordscrosssed. However, yes, I admittedly do take a somewhat "knee-jerk" response regarding choice and abortion rights, and on FISA, because that bill grants telecompanies even more immunity to continue with more unwarranted spying and wiretapping of ordinary, average, run-of-the-mill American citizens, and not necessarilyi terrorists. If I were a younger woman with an unwanted pregnancy, I would not want my rights to an abortion curtailed in any way what. so. ever, and, regarding the FISA Bill and BHO's capitulation on it, I would not be comfortable knowing that the government can listen in on my phone calls or intercept my email, or possibly come search my house and confiscate something or other from me that looked totally suspicious to them.
No need to apologize
I would actually prefer a reasonable answer as to why mental distress is cause to terminate a pregnancy at six months.
__________________________It is the economy, stupid.
Well, because, at any stage of the pregnancy,
mental distress is a perfectly legitimate reason to end a pregnancy.
Obama's position is the same as Feingold's
If you'd like to argue about it further, you can go do so here
__________________________It is the economy, stupid.
No.
Feingold voted against it because it lacked the health exception.
anyway, mental distress means that a person is emotionally upset, and, there are varying degrees of that. Even so-called "normal" people, without prior symptoms of mental distress can develop emotional or psychological problems, or "mental distress" as its termed here, due to an unwanted pregnancy. I knew a woman from one of Boston's white workingclass neighborhoods, now in her mid-40's, who became pregnant and had a child at the age of 15 or 16, and has been on and off welfare ever since, because, like her sister and mother, is mentally unstable, and in mental distress, as it's called here.
Yes I know women
that have developed psychological and mental problems, or 'mental distress' due to an unwanted husband. That doesn't mean that it should be legal for women to 'terminate' their husbands.
__________________________It is the economy, stupid.
Hey sweetie:
I'm not talking about husbands, but about the pregnancy or pregnancies themselves. It was a pattern in this woman's family--the father of the child doesn't live with them, and the mother of both her older sister and her both had kids in the same way; out of wedlock.
Off the record, missliberties, are you just being snarky, or do you really and truly not grasp what I'm driving at? Hmmmmm?
I am talking about mental distress
as compared to mental illness. Mental distress can be having a bad day, being depressed, love sick, etc.
I get what your driving at completely. Is it okay with you if people disagree with you or do you demand some sort of totalitarian loyalty to your point of view?
__________________________It is the economy, stupid.
Mental distress can mean different things.
Mental distress can also result from some sort of trauma, also, in addition to being the result of this:
Moreover, an unwanted pregnancy, imho, would be considered a trauma.
No, I don't demand totallitarian loyalty to my viewpoint. It's OK to disagree with me, but you get kind of insulting about it at times, which I do find objectionable.
I say
you started it with the insults. No you did. No you did.
If you poke, I poke back. Isn't that how it goes, sweetie. Vague references or terms of endearment. But that isn't progressive or liberal or is it? Oh dear it's just not fair.
So it goes.
__________________________It is the economy, stupid.
No....
you're not.
Independentminded: vote for the con-man
You're a libertarian right?
That's exactly why you should vote for him. Put the phoney in the white house--watch him dash the dreams of his young supporters. Watch him turn them into political cynics...they'll never trust another politician again! What could be better for libertarianism?
__________________________"You have seen how a man was made a slave; you shall see how a slave was
made a man." --Frederick Douglas
Yeah that'll show em
I don't think indmded libertarian
, but I could be wrong.
__________________________It is the economy, stupid.
Ha Ha Ha!!
n/m
hey hey
just wanted to say that I met up with pico and we had a nice lunch in NYC. Good to meet more members of SC :)
__________________________"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Glad you and pico had fun on your NYC luncheon meetup, Ender.
Welcome back.
thanks! n/t
"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR
Obama vs. McCain in Montana
is showing us something quite interesting.
Mark at Publius Endures
points to some interesting poll stats:
Astounding. Read the rest. short post.
It's safe to say that the GOP has hit a cord with some of its mushy leaners and weak, swing supporters (libertarian conservative and libertarian-ISH voters)...and they don't like the sound it's making.
tsk, tsk, GOP.
Oh Thank God
Conservatives Ready to Battle McCain on Convention Platform
Giving the maverick some grief, it seems that GOP has some deep fractures.
Their main concern is immigration but also includes global warming, stem cell research and a unbending pro-life stand.
Unless McCain attends to these conservative demands a lot of people are likely to stay home on election day. .......Good! Let's celebrate!
__________________________It is the economy, stupid.
Stop putting dead horses in front of me when I have a stick.
1: The "illegal" Mexican/ Central American immigrants are illegal because back in the 1900's "Native Americans" were upset at all the brown and not white enough Europeans were coming to the US, the immigration quotas are a legacy of Americas racist past.
__________________________2: The actual effects and data of green house gases impact is up to debate
and reediting,but many of the "solutions" make American less reliant on foreign countries. Not to mention if Global Warming/ Climate Change is real, there will be more of those unwanted brown people moving up to sunny South Dakota.3: The Old Testament seemingly implicitly endorses abortion, as unborn fetuses are treated differently than others and causing a miscarriage is not something that is punished.
4: The words in the Bible that refer to "spirit" or "soul" come from Greek or Hebrew words that mean "animal" or "to breath.' I
In our society, people are rewarded for pretending to be certain about things they're clearly not certain about. -- Sam Harris,