Still another Obama untruth

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Sadly No topped you today.

Here they link to favicon a post by Accuracy in Media favicon which stated:

"Barack Obama is the most radical candidate ever to stand at the precipice of acquiring his party’s presidential nomination and the American presidency. It is apparent that he is a member of an international socialist movement which hopes to use the United Nations as a vehicle to shake down U.S. taxpayers for trillions of dollars in slavery reparations. One group, the African World Reparations and Repatriation Truth Commission, is demanding an astronomical $777 trillion."

Sadly No!'s take on it was:

"The minute that Obama gets elected president, he’s apparently going to implement his own extreme brand of Obammunism, whereby he aggressively takes Whitey’s bread and redistributes it to the brothers.And what’s more, he’s going to demand… (dramatic music)… $777 TRILLION. That’s like $111 trillion more than $666 trillion. Does this make Obama trillions of dollars worse than Satan? I believe the data speaks for itself, my friends."

I'd be speechless if I weren't laughing so hard.

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Very funny

Obama's church is for reparations, so he is for reparations. In other news, Catholic politicians support the church's policy of moving pedophile priests to different parishes.

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Quite frankly,

I don't like or trust either Barack or McCain. Neither one of them is presidential material, and, I don't see why I should get all whoopee-doo excited over it all. McCain's too dangerous and Barack's constant talk about hope, unity and inclusion rings hollow, imho. I will honestly say that both McCain and Obama, in their own individual ways, are equally capable of bringing this country down an even worse path, or staying the same, and paving the way for the total destruction and disappearance of the last vestiges of what was good about America.

So, pardon me for not joining in the excitement over Barack's presumed Democratic nomination. I don't like McCain, mind you, but I also think that Barack's a phony. Talk is cheap, imho, and, anybody who really and truly thinks that a Barack Obama Presidency will dissipate two hundred years of racism and racial strife in this country in one shining moment is dreaming.
Frankly, I'm not interested in being "cleansed", either.

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Tit for tat

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Who is Krugman kidding?

Clinton's plan for a windfall tax on 2008 profits (cite favicon) by oil companies is as DOA as can be. Pretending that this is revenue neutral is just a political gimmick. Quoting from the above source:

Obama says that funding proposal is unrealistic because President George W. Bush opposes the windfall tax and would almost certainly reject any legislation mandating it. Without revenue from the windfall profits tax, the gas tax holiday would result in less money available for highway, bridge and railroad repairs, Obama says.

That said, if Krugman wants to get annoyed about the quote then I agree the Obama campaign should redo the ad. They already have favicon for the NC version, according to Politico.

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Honest in NC, dishonest in Indiana?

McCain's gas tax holiday is just as DOA as Hillary's. There's no way a Democratic-majority Congress will pass it. I don't know how relevant it is to address the likelihoods-of-passage of the candidates' proposals. I think it's more important to get a reading on where they stand philosophically, and then judge how well they are able to work with others to get things done.

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That wouldn't make much sense IMHO

It was replaced in the NC version with a similar quote from someone else, it doesn't make any real difference to the ad.

Seems most likely to me that there are different rules in the different media markets for replacing an ad that is currently airing.

I agree with you about the chances of passage of either proposal, so let's look at the philosophical and economic stands. What do you think about McCain's gas tax holiday idea? Given the quotes in your diary would you characterize it as increasing the profits of oil companies with minimal benefit to drivers and at the expense of the highway fund, and if not why not?

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McCain's gas tax holiday

I think it's well intentioned but will have little real effect, and I range from agnostic to mildly against. If enacted, the federal government would lose maybe $8 billion in revenues while only a percentage of that $8 billion would work its way to consumers. I have no idea what that percentage would be. Because of increased demand, the McCain plan would likely increase oil company revenues and--because the major companies are in the black--profits. McCain could and should do better.

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Works for me (nt)

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Pet peeve

I can't tell you how many defenses of Hillary's plan (or McCain's, but I don't read as many conservative sites) I've seen that go something like "18.4 cents/gallon may not seem like much to you, but it will make a real difference to us working class folks."

Setting aside the humorous responses (Blue Neponset had a good one on MyDD that I'm too lazy to dig up the link for, which was something like: "If ten bucks a month or so makes such a huge difference in your budget, why don't you stop paying for internet service?" -- see also this gem favicon from Sadly, No!) this sort of defense assumes that the price will simply fall by 18.4 cents/gallon, which is exactly the point of contention, and in fact most economic experts agree that since supply is essentially fixed by refinery capacity the price will just go back up to close to what it was before.

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Kevin Drum suggested recently

that rather than mucking around with windfall profit taxes and gas tax holidays we should simply go after the oil company subsidies from the government that are currently in place. It's a good idea given that it saves far more money (which could then be targetted to actual relief for the poor and middle class if needed) and is far more politically viable- i.e. it's easy for the right to scream about "biggest tax hike in history" (isn't it funny how *every* tax is the biggest tax hike in history?) but harder for them to publically support corporate welfare while real americans suffer through a decidely crappy economy.

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No kidding (nt)

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That's because the standard

for "working class" goes lower and lower as the rhetoric gets more and more populist.

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Do you really think this is seriously troubling for Obama?

Granted, this kind of spin is not honest nor helpful in assisting the voters arrive at informed decisions.

Here's my rough draft campaign finance law, which would cut a lot of the nonsense out of campaigns:

"No candidate in an election for national office may, thru any form of consideration, paid or otherwise, have any message broadcast on his or her behalf over any form of mass media.

No mass media outlet shall broadcast any message on behalf of any candidate for national office.

Individual contributions to candidates for national office shall be limited to $5 per individual. Candidates shall be eligible for Federal matching campaign funds upon reaching the following threshholds: $20,000 for a candidate for the House of Representatives, $75,000 for a candidate for the Senate, and $500,000 for a candidate for President.

Total spending by any campaign shall be limited to: $200,000 for a candidate for the House of Representatives, $750,000 for a candidate for the Senate, and $5,000,000 for a Candidate for President.

No tax-exempt organization may, thru any form of consideration, paid or otherwise, have any message broadcast over any form of mass media in the 6 months prior to a national election, if that advertisement would have a reasonable likelihood of significant influence in a race for national office.

No tax-exempt organization may, thru any form of consideration, paid or otherwise, have any message broadcast over any form of mass media in the 3 months prior to a primary election for national office, if that advertisement would have a reasonable likelihood of significant influence in any race in that primary election for national office. No mass media outlet shall accept such an ad;

No state may hold a primary election for national office before the first day of March in the year of the general election;

No state may hold a primary election for national office beyond the last day of May in the year of the general election;

All for-profit media outlets shall balance each minute of political commentary regarding a candidate or candidates for national office with an equal minute of broadcast of the most recent speeches, debates, and/or other events of a candidate or candidates, unedited and free from commentary or commercial interruption, during the 6 months prior to a national election and the three months prior to any primary election."

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Not to nit-pick, Skymutt

but isn't all that whole mass media prohibition thing in the beginning of your post an infringement on freedom of speech?

And if you don't think so, explain why.

And if you do think so but support the measure anyway, explain why.

Then again, most of it is an infringement against freedom of speech when you limit contributions.

From a partisan standpoint, you know that the Dems rely more on large special interest donations than the GOP, right?

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If the Constitution needs to be amended, so be it...

I do recognize that this law would face serious challenges on constitutional grounds, but purely as a policy matter and with the current state of the constitution set aside, I see this as nothing more than the natural extension of various state laws which prohibit various types of "free speech" such as signs, demonstrations, and so forth around polling places.

I personally do not feel that limitations on contributions are, in any way, shape, or form, an infringement on free speech in violation of the First Amendment. The ban on mass media ads is another matter and may requre constitutional amendment. However, the 30 second, mass-media form of free speech available to moneyed interests has been subject to other kinds of restriction by law in the past when the Public Interest™ has been threatened. Cigarettes can no longer be advertized on television for instance. I'm not sure how that one got past the First Amentment purists, but I think the gradually declining rate over the last 40 years or so of smoking in the public has been for the Greater Good™, and I think that the ban on TV advertising has helped in that regard.

As far as the Dems and special interest donations go, True Democrats such as Feingold and Durbin would salivate over a law like I propose, but it's jsut not feasible to pass anything along these lines right now, partly because campaigns have become such a cottage industry that the beneficiaries of all the money which is thrown around every two years are fighting hard to keep the free money flowing. The True Democrats have no love for the undue influence of the various big money special interest mafias in the current system, even so-called Democratic interests.

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Sounds like a thrashing of the 1st Amendment

I'll settle for the messiness of unencumbered free speech. As for campaign finance, I'm more libertarian on it. I'd rather have fewer restrictions, provided that all contributions are accurate, transparent and immediately publicized.

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I could get behind that

on a trial basis. If nothing changes for the better, then I support S.J. Res 21 favicon.

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Not at all

the first amendment in no way, shape, or form gives you a right to broadcast your opinions through the mass media. Hence any restriction of speech that restricts only the mass media does not run contrary to the 1st.

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It still thrashes free speech

There are so many broadcast options, that imposing some government-imposed version of "fairness" would itself have a chilling effect on free speech. Every station would have to hire monitors and censors, who would then have to report government-defined "balance" to their federal masters. Meantime, such requirements would open the door to activists and interest groups from either end of the political spectrum, who file lawsuits and complaints, thus adding more flurries of paper.

Stations will do what they prior to the 1990s, refrain from any sort of opinon journalism at all because it's too costly and too cumbersome. It's a goddawful idea. It may get Rush Limbaugh and others off the air, which is exactly what the Progressive Left wants, but it would damage the whole project in the process. Keith Olbermann would also be thrown under the bus, not necessarily for his own expressed opinions per se, but for all his white liberal guests who parrot his views for him.

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Again- there's no such thing as a right to broadcast

Stations will do what they prior to the 1990s, refrain from any sort of opinon journalism at all because it's too costly and too cumbersome.

That's their choice. Just as gun manufacturers may choose to close shop rather than sell guns with trigger locks. That doesn't make requiring trigger locks unconstitutional.

There's nothing in the constitution that guarantees people that opinion journalism will be available.

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It's not "messy" exactly

That's just not a very precise word for it.  It's actually a very orderly system in a way-- the big money special interests fund candidates who have sold out to them, and those contributions are used to buy massive amounts of advertisement, often false or misleading negative advertisement regarding the lesser-funded opponent. The candidate who can pay for the most mass-media exposure usually wins.

Worse, the big media is the beneficiary of all these advertising dollars.  It is therefore against their interest to shed light on how the special intersts buy influence thru campaign contributions, because a hefty percentage of that money flows thru to the mass media in the form of advertising purchases.  So much for the accurate, transparent, and immediate disclosure if the mass media doesn't give coverage to the disclosures because exposing the corruption of the system is against their own financial interest.  

 

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A few questions ...

(1) What is your definition of "Mass Media"?
(2) What is your definition of "have ... broadcast"?
(3) What is your definition of "on his or her behalf"?
(4) What is your definition of "reasonable likelihood" and "significant influence"?
(5) What is your definition of "political commentary"?
(6) What is your definition of "other events"?
(7) What is your definition of "unedited"?
(8) Are there any constraints on when the reciprocal minute for minute "balanced time" actually airs? Is it acceptable to air it at 3AM?
(9) Who gets to make the inevitable judgment calls related to these subjective terms?

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What part of "rough draft" don't you understand?

I anticipated this question might come up, since many naysayers like to pretend that these kind of sticking points on terminology are somehow unique to campaign finance law, when in fact just about any proposed law will have these kinds of details to hammer out.

I'm obviously not going to spend the time to go thru the whole list, but a couple of responses off the top of my head:

4) "reasonable" = objectively reasonable, as in the 4th Amendment :-)

8) balanced time =  eyeball-weighted time, as determined by a decided-upon formula derived from statistics obtained from an independent rating organization (ACNielsen or equivalent)

9) The courts, of course, but as you can see, we're clearing up the ambiguity in these definitions quite rapidly here.  Why, I'm more than 10% thru your 9 item list in less than 15 minutes ;-)

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