George McGovern. Libertarian??

Well, probably not. But that's OK. He doesn't have to be. But it he's awfully libertarian-esque these days. I'll tell you one thing, though: Few things about politics bring a real smile to my face. But one of those things that does is when liberal concerns and sensibilities on outcomes are channeled through classical liberal/libertarian policy views. Not only does it bring a grin to the face of a libertarian like me but it also resonates with voters if given a chance...not only does it resonate, it's 100% correct! How about that? Getting a "HELL YEAH!" from voters and making real and tangible sense on policy...what a winning combo!!...in theory at least. :)

Anyway, McGovern, the former Democratic Senator and Presidential candidate vs. Nixon in '72, had a WSJ Op-Ed where he minces no words about his stern sense of caution for unintended consequences while expressing real and genuine concern for the economically troubled.

McGovern:

With liberalized credit rules, many people with limited income could access a mortgage and choose, for the first time, if they wanted to own a home. And most of those who chose to do so are hanging on to their mortgages. According to the national delinquency survey released yesterday, the vast majority of subprime, adjustable-rate mortgages are in good condition,their holders neither delinquent nor in default.

There's no question, however, that delinquency and default rates are far too high. But some of this is due to bad investment decisions by real-estate speculators. These losses are not unlike the risks taken every day in the stock market.

The real question for policy makers is how to protect those worthy borrowers who are struggling, without throwing out a system that works fine for the majority of its users (all of whom have freely chosen to use it).

Amen, Senator. It's truly refreshing to see a politician keep things measured and in perspective

As McGovern begins his concerns about economic paternalism and its dangers, he makes an incredibly simple, lucid and oft ignored observation about its effects on health care while giving a clear call for some much needed free market friendly deregulation:

Many people can't afford the gold-plated health plans that are the only options available in their states.

Buying health insurance on the Internet and across state lines, where less expensive plans may be available, is prohibited by many state insurance commissions. Despite being able to buy car or home insurance with a mouse click, some state governments require their approved plans for purchase or none at all. It's as if states dictated that you had to buy a Mercedes or no car at all.

Excellent points. But like is often said about policy perspectives that are rooted in a sound understanding of WHY things are the way they are, the forth-coming answers and ideas are not very satisfying for those inclined to want a solution to have a large and grandiose government program in it.

To me, it seems pull-your-hair-out obvious that the first questions you ask yourself when a regulation-infested industry, like health care, isn't functioning well are:

(1) what regulations may be causing problems and harmful, unintended consequences?

(2) what regulations may be impeding normal market function that unaffected sectors don't have to deal with? And can we remove them without causing a clearly damaging trade-off?

In the case of health care, the regulation of WHO you can buy insurance from and WHERE is an obvious regulatory candidate for the gallows. The encouraging of employer provided health care is another.

I would phase out these regulations and behavior-altering rules. Products would become more varied and tailored to individual needs....both frugal and extravagant. Health care providers would also adapt to these changes in consumer behavior. Non or under insured services like Lasik eye surgery have seen costs plummet...coincidence? NO.

McGovern then goes back to finance and warns against the consequences of impetuous and short sighted new regulations on lenders (and borrowers) by looking at "Payday lending", small loans against future or pending paychecks:

Anguished at the fact that payday lending isn't perfect, some people would outlaw the service entirely, or cap fees at such low levels that no lender will provide the service. Anyone who's familiar with the law of unintended consequences should be able to guess what happens next....Payday lending bans simply push low-income borrowers into less pleasant options, including increased rates of bankruptcy. Net result: After a lending ban, the consumer has the same amount of debt but fewer ways to manage it.

True and obvious. No further comment.

McGovern then closes with lessons and advice while sharing his new perspective on policy since leaving office:

Since leaving office I've written about public policy from a new perspective: outside looking in. I've come to realize that protecting freedom of choice in our everyday lives is essential to maintaining a healthy civil society.... Everyone is exposed to economic risks of some kind. But we don't operate mindlessly in trying to smooth out every theoretical wrinkle in life.

The nature of freedom of choice is that some people will misuse their responsibility and hurt themselves in the process. We should do our best to educate them, but without diminishing choice for everyone else.

Glad to hear , Senator. Perhaps you could arrange a sit-down with the heirs to your party's leadership and explain these ideas. It's a powerful, majority-winning platform, IMO:

Liberal sensibilities on OUTCOMES discussed through libertarian rhetorical prisms. I tried to this angle at DailyKos a few years ago but most of the hysterical land hateful little socialists would have none of it. Thankfully, they are not the base.

This is incidentally the second time in recent months that I read about a refreshingly classical liberal view from a 1970's Democrat .

Where have you all gone? Where are your heirs? Come back! :)

BTW, libertarian praise for McGovern at Reason .

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What is the libertarian "fix"

for payday loans targeting SS recipients and funneling off their monthly payments via direct deposit and then transfer?

These are essentially zero risk loans (because the money is coming in a constant stream from the government), so there is no financial justification for the rates to be predatory. No justification except for greed as these companies take advantage of seniors and the disabled.

If you tell me, well, that's just how the market works... I reply that's why I'm a liberal and not a libertarian.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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I will add, however, that this

is one example of an unintended consequence (this outcome partially came about because of the availability of direct deposit for social security).

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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I'm not sure...

what's the liberal fix?

Something doesn't sound right here, though. If the repayment is such easy money, lenders would under bidding each other on interest rates because it's such a low risk.

Something ain't stirring the kool-aid.

BTW,

If you tell me, well, that's just how the market works... I reply that's why I'm a liberal and not a libertarian.

If you get the real meaning from the diary and really pay attention to how I frame these issues, you'd know there's a lot more to it than just that.

The real question is whether the government would make it worse....not just next day and for one person in a hypothetical example but further down the road and with all people. IOW, will the policy achieve its intended result? and if so, will it cause more problems and unforeseen consequences in light of how the markets in question will be affected? Basically, will it really make the problem better or just sound like it will?

This requires more than intent.

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I do get that

but I'm not willing to just sit and watch something like this play out because I'm concerned about unforseen adverse consequences later. By all means try to consider the logical consequences and side effects of a proposed action but let's not get so gun shy that we can't remedy obvious wrongs.

Something doesn't sound right here, though. If the repayment is such easy money, lenders would under bidding each other on interest rates because it's such a low risk.

I would guess that these seniors/disabled select a lender based on geographic convenience as much as rates -- the article says that they are concentrated near subsidized housing. If it's difficult for your customers to get across town you can charge higher rates. Maybe there's some collusion among the lenders in a given locality, too. I do realize that the source I quote is obviously biased and may well be leaving something out.

what's the liberal fix?

Well, one immediate possibility would be to address the end-around by prohibiting banks from electronically disbursing funds to payday lenders. People can still get those loans, they just have to pay them back with checks. Lenders can still give those loans, they just don't get guaranteed automatic repayment.

A more substantial fix would be to limit the maximum profit a lender can make on a loan to a percentage of the loan (say, you can't make more than double). That doesn't screw with rate caps or penalties or whatever but does prevent endless draining of cash from people who got hooked once because they were short.

Clearly this will make it somewhat less likely that seniors/disabled will be able to easily get a bad high-interest loan. Whether this will result in payday lenders adjusting their practices to take what profit is there or whether new businesses will step in (credit cards targeting SS recipients?) or whether there will simply be fewer loans of any type available to seniors remains to be seen. I find the last possibility unlikely; there's no reason to suppose that the market for these type of loans will simply disappear if the profit is somewhat curtailed. However, we can cross that bridge when we come to it -- when the status quo is unacceptable, yes it is better to address it (in as prudent and farsighted a manner as possible) rather than do nothing out of concern for creating future problems.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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Well,

Well, one immediate possibility would be to address the end-around by prohibiting banks from electronically disbursing funds to payday lenders. People can still get those loans, they just have to pay them back with checks. Lenders can still give those loans, they just don't get guaranteed automatic repayment.

That will most likely wind up raising interest rates. Banks give a better rate with automatic withdrawal. It's a common practice.

A more substantial fix would be to limit the maximum profit a lender can make on a loan to a percentage of the loan

Again, this will wind up raising interest rates on everyone and cause fewer loans to given out, which will worst affect the very people who need them most. It's also very complicated to implement, IMO.

As I read ahead you seem to acknowledge this likelihood. Well, that's it.

However, we can cross that bridge when we come to it -- when the status quo is unacceptable,

And then what?....and then what? It never ends. See? And would we be in this predicament down the road? We back track to a simple fix.

Sometimes things are the way they are for a good and logical reason. I would guess that these loans are not as safe and secure as it would seem. The likelihood of the account being empty when the withdrawal comes in a possibility. I simply don't know. I do know that I don't know better than the lenders.

If it was that simple, entrepreneurs would be moving in to capitalize on the excessive profits and undercut the competition. Maybe we should do it? sounds pretty simple, doesn't it?

Maybe the supply side of it has a problem....barrier to entry? who knows.

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Maybe, but not definitely

Again, this will wind up raising interest rates on everyone and cause fewer loans to given out, which will worst affect the very people who need them most.

This pretty much assumes that the companies would have to recoup profit elsewhere, which isn't necessarily the case -- it could be that companies would be perfectly willing to lend under my conditions even if they make less money by being less predatory.

To add to that, it's not at all clear that the current rates are in market equilibrium -- that they are high because the loan recipients are poor credit risks. It seems at least as likely that they are high because the recipients don't have a lot of choice in lenders, due presumably to their age or disability (hence the clustering near subsidized housing).

Lemme quote something from Wikipedia :

Though payday lending is primarily regulated at the state level, the United States Congress passed a law in October 2006 becoming effective on Oct. 1, 2007 that caps lending to military personnel at 36% APR as defined by the Secretary of Defense.[2] The Defense Department called payday lending practices "predatory", and military officers cited concerns that payday lending exacerbated soldiers' financial challenges, jeopardized security clearances, and even interfered with deployment schedules to Iraq. [3]

Two things jump out at me here: (1) Apparently there is very high-level concern about this practice when it involves the military, because we need the military. Shouldn't we be similarly concerned about the elderly/disabled, even if we don't "need" them in the same way? (2) We can directly check the hypothesis that regulation would have detrimental effects by comparing pre and post Oct 1, 2007. In theory... of course I don't have time for such a large-scale project. (I also think a rate cap is stricter regulation than capping the total profit, but I don't really have solid reasoning behind that, it just "feels" more distorting of market forces to me.)

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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How are government money transfers a free market?

Free markets do not have over 50% of the people on the public dole either from entitlement transfers or corporate welfare transfers...

I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.
Learn to swim.
Moms gonna fix it all soon.
Moms comin round to put it back the way it ought to be.

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Well ok

That's a fair point, but... (not to put words in your mouth) it seems like the conclusion is to remove these people from social security and then they won't be targeted by payday loan companies?

Obviously that's not quite what I'm going for, personally.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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No, that's not my conclusion

I'm a free market idealogue at heart but we have is not a free market and to think if we would have privitized social security and if much of the investment would have gone into mortgage-backed securities, what a mess we would have now(much of caused by the State to begin with).

It has been made very obvious to me that privitization of SS in our mixed economy or our version of State capitalism would just lead to moral hazard and virtual certainty of future State bailouts of malinvestment.

I really don't what the solution is in terms of politics...Then again, I don't believe much in politcs or the State, for that matter, anymore...

I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.
Learn to swim.
Moms gonna fix it all soon.
Moms comin round to put it back the way it ought to be.

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McGovern sounds like Milton Friedman now...

Logan has a new Libertarian Democrat...slowly but surely...

I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.
Learn to swim.
Moms gonna fix it all soon.
Moms comin round to put it back the way it ought to be.

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Very good post here.

This from McGovern is what you get when a good liberal thinker is freed from the shackles of having to run for office.  The reason (I think) that you don't hear this kind of intelligent, common sense straight talk from most liberals is because they are in full pander mode all of the time on the campaign trail, because, sadly, the populist three chickens in every pot bullcrap is what works during a campaign!  If McGovern was campaigning for office, what opponent whould be able to resist the opportunity of using the sound-bite "" for a 30-second attack commercial? 

This is part of the reason why I am in favor of drastic campaign reform, including perhaps even something so strong as a ban on TV and radio ads.  These ads are absolutely poisonous to the discourse in this country.  Real issues cannot possibly be addressed in this format.  But admittedly, that would only scratch the surface of the bigger problems which are causing political discourse to be so superficial and stale, because the root problem is the attitude of our citizenry, who are enabling and encouraging superficial campaigns with their apathy and dereliction of civic duty.

I'm not going to quibble with some of the minor differences I have with individual policies you mention here, because I agree with your main point.

 

 

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McGovern had been leaning libertarian for a awhile now...

And it has had more to do with McGovern running up against the regulatory class when he went into private business than being "freed from the shackles of having to run for office."

And while it's true that mass media can result in a saturated message geared toward the LCD, the alternative of banning political speech from mass media is far more dangerous--you are moving from proto-fascist territory(where we are now) into complete fascist territory.

If you wanted meaningful political reform, we would move into electoral reform, eliminating the winner-take-all formula(and the electoral college system), abolishing the FCC--which would result in a truer free market for political speech--and repealing any/all restrictions on political speech(including monetary restrictions).

These reforms would then result in robust speech among roughly equal 4 or 5 political parties:

conservative,libertarian,progressive,populist, green

I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.
Learn to swim.
Moms gonna fix it all soon.
Moms comin round to put it back the way it ought to be.

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As campaign spending increases--

-- all I see happening is a corresponding debasement of the whole political process, which gets markedly worse every election.  Candidates spend more time fundraising than they spend doing the people's business.  But they all have to do the fundraising just to compete, and they end up indebted to their big campaign contributors. Political commercials sell out commercial space in many markets months in advance and virtually none of that advertisement really informs the people of anything. 

I don't see how abolishing all regulation and replacing it with nothing does anything to solve this problem.  I don't even really even see how your approach would really help third parties emerge. 

As far as the fascist thing-- I can't help that when I see something being abused as campaigns are abusing the privilege of plaicing mass media ads, I think that the best answer is sometimes to eliminate the privilege. There are many other cases where I am for reducing or eliminating regulations.  I really don't think that anybody-- the politicians or the voters-- would miss the TV campaign ads. The only possible exception is the TV stations themselves, who will badly miss the free money thrown at them by candidates.

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