Debate: do we need greater governmental control of health care?
Welcome to the third formal debate hosted by Swords Crossed and open to multi-blog participation! Today we will debate whether the US would benefit from greater governmental control of health care. Our current hybrid system suffers from skyrocketing costs and piecemeal coverage. Both Democratic candidates have proposed expanding programs such as SCHIP and Medicaid and imposing more stringent regulations on private insurers. Will such steps lead to improvements in the efficiency and quality of health care in America, or will they backfire and make an already struggling system worse? Come share your opinion and your reasoning.
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Essays with useful background for this debate:
** Ideas for American Healthcare
** Must our final years be torture
** Medical Insurance, two personal tales
** Universal health care dead in CA: implications
** Health Care News on Clinics and Competition
More details below the fold
Basic information from Wikipedia :
The U.S. spends more on health care, both as a proportion of gross domestic product (GDP) and on a per-capita basis, than any other nation in the world. [...] The debate about U.S. health care concerns questions of access, efficiency, and quality purchased by the high sums spent. The World Health Organization (WHO) in 2000 ranked the U.S. health care system first in both responsiveness and expenditure, but 37th in overall performance and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study). The WHO study has been criticized by conservative commentators because "fairness in financial contribution" was used as an assessment factor, marking down countries with high per-capita private or fee-paying health treatment. The CIA World Factbook ranked the United States 41st in the world for lowest infant mortality rate and 45th for highest total life expectancy.
Would greater governmental control of health care improve our system? I've set up a debate at the neutral third-party site cruxlux, which has a format specifically tailored to structured point-counterpoint debate and incorporates user feedback on arguments. I've created a skeleton framework for the debate and now you can add arguments, comment, give points, or engage in conversation on any aspect of the topic of interest to you. Everyone is invited to participate and hopefully the end result will be a constructive examination of the pros and cons of more government involvement in our health care system.
We are also linking all essays written recently on this topic here, so if you write or recently wrote something on your blog please comment below and it will be added to the list. Comments at the original post are encouraged, of course, but please feel free to incorporate that discussion into the large-scale cruxlux debate as well.
Our second debate discussed whether Edwards supporters should prefer Obama or Clinton .
Our first debate discussed the pros and cons of the Electoral College .
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Comments :
I'm assuming it's ok to link these pieces
that y'all wrote, which I think are excellent resources for the debate, but if for some reason you'd like me to remove yours please let me know.
Conversely, if anyone is inspired to write a new piece responding to this question I will add it to the list.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Why no love for the Mars debate? -nt.
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
I classified it differently
as a "Thunderdome" match -- it's on the debate page
=)
I'd like to do another one of that type soon too.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Sorry, forgot ATQB's post
Why can't the NHS happen here?
(It didn't have the "healthcare" tag, which is how I collected the pieces to include.)
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
I detect bias
:)
Bah.
So do the dKos folks, although to the other side. Apparently this diary
is "an attempt to bait" and a "transparent attempt to frame the debate in dishonest terms" and perhaps even trolling.
Who knew?
Edit: nevermind, we're on the same page now =) It's always interesting how much difference it makes in how something is perceived just based on a word or two. I guess I'll have to be more careful next time.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
It was a joke.
:)
I know, I know
Hopefully ATQB isn't too hurt by my mistake =)
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
If only we had to functionality to change the content of diaries
imagine the possibilities! ;-)
Seriously though, no offense taken at all. People were exposed to second hand link if they read Purpleface's diary.
Also, I think there are interesting lessons from Medical Tourism
What do people do when they vote with their feet? Americans don't seek out Canadian care or even French care when they leave this system (though the opposite happens in the case of Canadians, at least.)
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In my diary entry 70,000 Britons expected to escape the NHS this year we explored the quality of care concerns that are leading many Britons to look at healthcare overseas. A few posters correctly pointed out that it's not a phenomenon limited to the NHS. Many people look to "escape" our healthcare system because of rising costs.
A new survey
from the National Center for Policy Analysis looks at the Medical Tourism industry and what's driving it.
From the report: Of note is the prominent role that American's are playing in healthcare overseas. It turns out that it's not just patients escaping the system.
The market leader is Bumrungrad International Hospital in Bangkok, which served 1.2 million customers from 190 countries last year. It is American-managed and creates returns of 20-25 percent each year. Many other hospitals are managed, owned or affiliated with prestigious American hospitals:
Right......
Because Health Care after all is a business...... and what is more important then is creating good shareholder returns. That 20-25% looks good doesn't it. If only we could bump it up to 30%.
And really if you are sick, you do want to spend all your time shopping for the best system world wide. Though it could take weeks with so many choices to sift through and research for cost efficiency vs medical capability.
For lipsosuction Brazil is your best bet.
For dentistry go Mexico.
For stem cell therapy stick with Europe.
It took weeks of research, but I finally
decided that to cure my sons hernia, the best bet was to go to Latvia. The market ratio there was superior. The hernia factory has a 35% profit margin with a 65% medical efficiency scale.
Now all I have to do is get my passports in order, book a flight, take a leave of absence from my job, and hope that the Dr.'s in Latvia wash their hands.
(Of course I am being snide.)
Or what to do when we can't trust on own health care system to first do no harm.
It is the economy, stupid.
You asked before why the NHS can't happen here
Sort of off-topic but I'll slot it in here anyway.
This story from RS
highlights one aspect that I hope we'd avoid: prohibiting a mixture of covered and elective care because it's "not fair" for rich patients to have access to better options.
I think that's short-sighted. I imagine that they want to avoid cutting back the basic services with the excuse that people can always buy more/better care, but that doesn't seem all that likely to me (voters generally elect politicians who will cover more things) and anyway there are more direct ways to deal with that.
If people want to spend extra money on their care then they should be able to do so. If someone who is rich wants to pay for anything from elective cosmetic surgery to a new experimental cancer treatment then they should certainly be allowed to do so and the state should still subsidize their "basic" treatment.
If we go to a single-payer government-run health care system I would expect (and support) that there will still be private hospitals offering additional or "better" treatment.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Speaking of jokes....
I was reading that exchange at DK.
That site has become a joke. What a bunch of insulated hyper and paranoid idiots.
You see some sort of a change?
Republican Maverick at Large
-4:Strongly Disagree; 0:Meh; +4:Strongly Agree
Join the cruxlux debate, there's new stuff up
Other people are participating, check it out and make your own points or counterarguments...
You don't even have to leave SC, we have our own page
with cruxlux embedded =)
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Sorry I wasn't available
I was at the doctor's pretty much all day, ironically. I am now officially a guinea pig. Started the experimental meds this morning. Figured I'd write a quick diary about it since there's no NDA.
I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.
Looking forward to reading it
whenever you get a chance.
Hope the experimental meds are effective to the point they become the standard treatment.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
Runaway Healthcare Premiums;
Frankly, I think that healthcare premiums really are gong through the roof. The government should put a substantial cap on premiums and monitor hospitals and their caretakers (i. e. doctors, nurses, etc.) to make sure that hospital administrators and workers alike are complying with health and safety rules that should be enforced. Healthcare is one of the things that the government shoulld be monitoring, but isn't, imo.