It's just a brick!! Let it go! It ain't all that....
The reasons I swayed away from liberalism and to more pragmatic libertarianism weren't that I hate government. No, I swayed that way because I came to hate much of what the federal government actually accomplishes with the money they get and spend "wisely". That doesn't mean I dislike everything the government does or has done...indeed, there are things the government MUST do and these things need attention. My thoughts here lie more with things the government chooses to do and we allow them to do because we think "it's for the best". But is it always?? Hell, no.
Leaving aside, the quick and general discussion of energy in my last diary, let's move to something just as alarming but seldom given honest discussion: education.
Now, now, I know the arguments for favoring "public schools". I used to make them. My focus here is a little difference. I'm not railing against the idea of public schools, just the way it's done and what we get for it. Unlike the unfair dogmatic trap that such discussions like the following are likely to get put into, there is really a serious debate to be had here. And you can be on side I argue for and favor public education at the same.
This article from Lew Rockwell inspired me to write this diary. Indeed, it is something I've come to see the sense in though there was a time in my youth that I thought it unconscionable.
In referring to a Wapo front pager on the dismal state of DC's public schools, the author says:
Despite spending more per student than virtually any other school district in the nation, the capital's pupils are tragically deprived of a decent education, with nearly three-quarters of them lacking basic math skills.
"The district spends $12,979 per pupil each year," the Post reported. "But most of that money does not get to the classroom. D.C. schools rank first in the share of the budget spent on administration."
And the schools aren't even safe. The Post reports that it takes more than a year to fix even the most dangerous conditions. The series tells a troubling story of bureaucracy, mismanagement, incompetence and corruption.
So, money is not really the issue here. And these districts that cry for more are simply throwing money at a non-monetary problem. Drastic situations need fresh ideas. Small town schools do just fine with less funding per pupil. Keep in mind, I'm NOT suggesting that inner city and urban schools should be expected to produce the same results. I realize it's harder. But, it's not getting any better and the same ol', same ol' isn't getting the job done. Anyone who's serious about public education of any kind should be appalled by the stench that comes out school systems that suck in a lot of money and achieve nothing. Clearly, different ideas need to be put on the table.
Like the title says, it's a brick! It ain't all that. Let it go. it's not like we're defending gold nuggets or something. When I watch people defend the system and additional funding without end in light of what it accomplishes and the destruction it causes to the very minorities whom the system is supposed to be protecting from being left behind in a cut throat world, I can only say: AND???????????????
And then people who decry the system are dismissed as uncaring, cheap and even BIGOTED! Figure that one out.
Keep in mind, that schools that are "good" aren't even that good compared to equal schools in other countries. And no, they don't necessarily spend more per pupil.
the article makes an interesting comparison:
Reading these stories reminds me of those reports about the economic situation in the old Soviet Union, where central planners were incapable of allocating resources to the right places. As a result, factories overproduced unneeded tractors but underproduced basic consumer goods. People waited in long lines to get foodstuffs. We're always told that education is so important that it must be left to the experts, yet experts cannot be all-knowing. Would you trust the production of food, clothing or shelter – even more important to our well-being than education – to the same people who are producing education in Washington, D.C., Los Angeles and even wealthy Capistrano Unified? I didn't think so.
That's the same problem with the school systems in America, which are not particularly different than the Soviet economy. An elite group plans and directs a one-size-fits-all system. There are few choices. There are no consumers. This is a top-down, government-controlled monopoly system, with more than a little bit of coercive force at its disposal.
Indeed, in many countries, students are given a choice. They are not tied to one school....this is one factor that inadvertently segregates children...since poorer people tend to live in the same areas and must attend an assigned school. hardly dynamic.
What are the answers? Well, that's an unfair question. That would have been like asking me in the 1980s what would happen when deregulated telecom. How was I supposed to predict the dynamic market, technologies and choices available. I can't...no one could.
What clear is that the status quo is not good and trying to polish a brick isn't going to turn it into gold.
The first thing, IMO, is to abolish or severely curtail the department of Education. Not only is it a constitutional position, it makes sense too. Why do bureaucrats in DC need to have so much sway over every school? Doesn't seem to be accomplishing much to me. This is a state matter. I'd rather see 50 different laboratories for ideas at work to get better answers. Federal funding? Well, it either get's dispersed based on population OR tax reform is done to leave that money in the states so the state can collect and allocate it.
As for solid ideas, I say skies the limit. We need to unlock the potential and let innovation take over...the same innovation that makes so many things the government isn't all over like a heavy wet towel work so well for us.
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One of the reasons that the education debate
tends to stifle pretty quickly is that libertarian-leaning conservatives want to eliminate public schools altogether (or send federal money to private schools, which is just another way to kill the public ones), while we liberals tend to wrap ourselves into knots trying both to defend a public education and to figure out how to fix our obviously crippled one.
If you've got some time and are interested in the kinds of ideas floating around, I can highly recommend teacherken
's education-related blog posts at dkos. He doesn't always offer the best solutions, but over the course of his time there, he's done an excellent job of starting discussions on different problem areas and eliciting a lot of good suggestions. He also has a talent for cutting through the enormously complicated topic and distilling what's most important.
As for me, I'm a little wary of attributing our public school problems to increased government involvement per se: I DO agree that we have a love of bureaucracy that swamps our ability to accomplish anything with any level of efficiency, but as GoRight was kind enough to point out (unwittingly) on another thread, the countries kicking our butts right now all have a more regulated public school system than we do. So it seems the problem is less "government involvement" than our particular incompetence whenever our government gets involved. Is that a fair assessment?
If not, why not? (Keeping in mind how well other higly-regulated countries are doing). If so, how can we target the incompetence part of the equation?
Good diary on a difficult topic.
By the way, not sure if you saw this: Brendan wrote a bit on Conservative perspectives on education reform
, and (some of) the comment threads were interesting.
Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce
However,
in many countries, in Europe in particular, students are given choices. They don't have to attend one school. Parents choose from at least 2 schools. This forces some level of results to avoid loosing funding by losing students.
And, regulation doesn't really mean much. Regulated in what way? ciriculum?
Anyway, regulation or lack thereof isn't really the issue in my opinion. It's a question of federal vs. state control on one side...and the ability to implement new ideas on the other.
There's also a matter of accountability. I think the best accountability is too families who can react by changing schools.
Like I said, I see no reason to defend public education for its own sake. This was really the point. the system is not geared to self-improvement...just complacency.
School choice, vouchers and decentralized authority (local autonomy) may be the first decent shoves to get the wheels of innovation going.
I believe in universal access, I just don't think we are really doing a good job with anything close to equal quality and this lies at the heart of the problem.
Why return control to the state level?
Why not the district level?
Why not the individual school level?
Pros and cons anyway you slice it. I think you do a good job of acknowledging both sides.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
The state is a natural and constitutional choice
It's a reserved power. It's in the Constitution. From there, states can try to dictate to local regions or experiment with some level of local autonomy.
The better question is:
Why keep so much authority at the national? Based on the results, it's hardly a good record.
BTW, I found it sad that liberals easily give up the states' rights argument on so many issues to the conservatives.
Being able to enable change and achieve results at the local state level is so much easier.
If public education matters to someone, they should WANT more power at the state level to try new ideas.
Agree!
IN a neighboring county a public school decided enough with the Feds and these National Test Standards, and completely opted out of the NCLB thing for their schools. They were sick of being blackmailed with funds and tests that were forced on them.
It is the economy, stupid.
Good.
Now if we can just get a ground swell of support from local and state school authorities to denounce federal involvement of nearly any kind---AND RESIST THE TEMPTATION OF SOME "FEEL-GOOD" FEDERAL/NANNY PROGRAM---we can take it a step further and move all education issues to the state level.
This does two beautiful things:
1. It takes an issue of the pandering bloc that pols can use to stir emotion based votes thereby leaving them one less issue to obfuscate.
2. It empowers each state's citizens a more direct voice in education matters and lets each state do what it thinks is best.
We broke away from Britain. In a similar light each state can break away in a sense by taking back issues that are rightfully theirs anyway.
I'm there.
I think your perspective on this really has teeth. Parents and teachers are SO fed up with NCLB!
Now we just need someone to get it started all around the country on the local level. I vote for you. Ready Go! :+)
(BTW and off topic, I think this kind of localized govt emphasis could work in Iraq as well. Strong local govt appealing to the tribal aspect of the countryside, with a loose federalism for some cohesion.)
It is the economy, stupid.
absolutely
I feel that if and when we leave Iraq and let them settle things (however that may be...I really don't care anymore...sorry...then again, I was never for that stupid war to begin with, but anyway...), that is exactly what they would, or at least SHOULD do to keep the peace. Iraq is too fractured on too many levels. Not that that should be the only reason for decentralized control. It works well. period.
however, it's up the Iraqis and their government to so humble as to "allow" them to do it.
I'm glad you like the idea. :)
Well, what I was getting at is that
not everyone is always in favor of more flexibility and experimentation. The motives aren't just nanny-state liberal controllism, either -- a lot of time, effort, and money goes into developing effective instructional methods and curricula*. Also, it's more difficult to equalize educational opportunity at the local level.
With proper safeguards I'm fine with state control. That's more or less the conservative argument (such as it is) for NCLB, right?
* By the way, it seems to me as often as not it's do-gooder liberals who are opposed to the standardization of education. You know, the whole drill-and-kill is ruining learning crowd. It's a reasonable point but is often (IMHO
) taken too far.
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
hmmm.
good points.
There's a lot of effort that goes into curricula and methods...agreed. However, I'm not well-versed enough to know where most of that development takes place and under what conditions.
However, "with proper safeguards", you're OK with state control. That's fine except, what would you feel uneasy about at the state level that is more comfortable at the federal level? My line of thinking would leave me inclined to be more wary of the fed than the state. The state in more accountable because the attention is more focused by fewer people.
I have 5 teachers in my extended family (D&R) and all hate NCLB. The schools hate it too.
I'm not against the accountability part...too bad I say.
But I empathize with the sentiment in that the tests cramp teaching and one size fits all whims from DC have bad effects at the local level.
As for equalizing education...why is more difficult at the local level (state)?
Education is very unequal as it is. I think we need to shake things up.
On an aside, I still believe a system that has more freedom to choose schools will go a long way to forcing change.
If funding is attached to the student and noy just schools, new schools should be allowed to for those students.
We only need to stop fearing the unknown and let it happen.
Yeah
If funding is attached to the student and not just schools, new schools should be allowed to [compete] for those students.
My wife will be opening a charter school, so I can't very well disagree with that =)
As for equalizing education...why is more difficult at the local level (state)?
If you zoom in far enough, you can get inequalities in funding (rich areas versus poor -- also could impact e.g. donations of science equipment) or expenses (might randomly get more severely disabled students in one area, or have older buildings with higher maintenance costs, or whatever).
Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson
zoom in far enough
yes, there is inequality. But that's the system that is in place. It's very segregated.
I'm not sure how to solve this. You could say that all school taxes should go to the state level and get dispersed based on student-numbers....but that presents other problems while solving the one at hand.
One thing is for sure, schools should not receive more money simply because they say they need it.
Again, my mind is too small to imagine all the possibilities. But given a sort of quasi-"free market" in education with the right incentives for schools to compete for students, I think lots of flexible schools with different things to offer to different perspective students could create a dynamic new system that rewards schools for answering the needs of parents and students.
Nowhere would this be more effective than in the inner-cities where the schools remind me of "Tammany Hall"
also, on flexibility and experimentation
I think it's good. and if schools are against it, I question THEIR motives. naturally, I think it's just complacency. Why would a monopoly willingly cede the comfort that comes from being the only choice?
If I could be the only provider of a certain service in a given area, I'd like it too. too bad, quality and improvement would surely be lacking. There's no incentive.
There are two great problems.
The first is to provide a universal base of knowledge, beyond Ideology that every child can act for the country's best interests, and as well to be a productive member of society.
Unfortunately there are a few Ideologies that require that there be a large desperate, ignorant, and manipulateable, majority, lest their own chicanery be outed.
They cannot advertise this intent, so must operate in smoke and shadows, applying little cuts and thefts, so that they can point to the result of their work and claim it as proof that the original idea was impossible.
There are few mysteries, successful examples abound, creating new guinea pig schools to play mad scientist with the lives of actual children who will grow up and have to live in the world, borders on criminal.
Creating schools that will not offend a child's parents religion is a path down the road to Pakistan's Madrassas, and we all know how well that works out. To create a universal base of knowledge, certain compromises need to be made on all sides, but creating universal ignorance, where other ignorance is offended, should not be among the compromises.
Perhaps classes that that first teach the points made at sites like here, and here, and here, before going on to science might be superior than teaching scientific conclusions as a belief system, however accurate the conclusions. But I suspect that creationists would not be amused.
The second problem is more subtle, and as I noted in a diary elsewhere on this site thus subject to much chicanery from the folks noted above, that the very frame of a mathematical result to measure quality, becomes itself hopeless. Particularly if the math used requires a criminally insane mind for the math to work, is it any wonder that the criminally insane are the best at achieving the goals
Even when John Nash's game theories are fully repudiated, we will be weeding out corollaries for generations, worse there is no equivalently pretty math to replace them yet.
The Self Made Man is just not admitting where he got all the parts.
points taken, however....
As I read, you seem to be dismissing the alarmingly dysfunctional and poor state of public education because you dwell on the worries of what boils down to teaching creationism.
provide a universal base of knowledge, beyond Ideology that every child can act for the country's best interests, and as well to be a productive member of society.
Fair enough. but we're not getting it. That's part of the point. Furthermore, you assume this really has anything to do with addressing the under-performance and lack of fairness that comes from our ossified and bloated education bureaucracy.
You worry about certain subjects meeting your demands while I'm talking about the system failing students on a basic level...especially the most disadvantaged.
come on now.
Politics is mostly the problem
There are huge anti intellectual forces in society generally, both on the left and the right, that I find to be very disturbing, that seems mostly to do with the rise of television, and the growing idea that reality is subjective.
Driven by commercial marketing on one hand, religious dogmatism on another, political chicanery on still another, and an array of philosophical, and drug induced new age fantasies that overran the intellectual left in the 70's, it is a wonder that any reality remains standing at all.
On top of all that if you watch Adam Curtis's The Trap, he lays out in great detail the basic problem with trying to set up a numbers based bureaucracy as a method to control things at all.
In our current climate money is the measure of speech and drives the agenda, and universal intellectual awareness is not a part of that agenda. Trying to roller skate in that minefield, the question is not how bad the education system is, but how it exists at all (as often enough it doesn't).
The only experimental work needed is how to abandon all the politics, teach science, and reasoning, how to learn and how to think with the kind of creativity that the students will discipline themselves. The current political climate would never let that happen, much less actually pay for it.
Selling kids out to profiteering mad scientists only creates a fancy image that something is being done, when what is done is usually worse.
The Self Made Man is just not admitting where he got all the parts.
Action vs Reaction
Nicely done. The state of our educational system is appalling and this is a timely topic. I have only one comment to add, about the practicality of taking effective action.
The first time I heard a libertarian candidate say "demolish the Department of Education" my gut-level reaction was not positive. It seemed to me a crazy idea, brought not by a desire for improvement but by a desire to attack the functions of the government. But like most first impressions, that was simply a reaction, not a thoughtful evaluation of the situation.
The problem I see is my own initial one, writ large: How do we get the populace as a whole past their first impression?
We have all seen the furore over vouchers, charter schools, and other baby steps that have been proposed to fix the system. We're talking about people's children, a topic guaranteed to evoke a strong reaction.
This may just be too hot a political potato for any significant structural changes to be undertaken.
"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran
Tthat first reaction is rooted in the right place in the heart
but not in the brain.
I'm glad to see you were able to get past first impressions. Most people never do.
The biggest obstacle is the entrenched ossified and complacent status quo that knows what button to push to play on people's good nature.
Another obstacle, just as big, is dispelling the idea outright that government always makes it better and that having some federal department or agency to oversee a certain function is invariably a good thing that we can't do without. This subconscious pass that we give the fed is silly and we need to realize we're doing it. Like I said, it's just a brick...fool's gold....it's not that valuable or needed.
A look at the details of FEMA's handling of the Katrina disaster reveals more than incompetence with Mr. Brown. The basic manner in which they went about handling the problem based on protocol shows the lack of efficiency and ability to adapt to unique problems.
Delivering trailers that couldn't be used based on its own standards, handing out money to whomever and causing long lines and waits, forbidding local personnel from acting until they authorized the go-ahead, failing to act sooner, tripping over its own rules....the list goes on and on. What a mess. Had a non-federal task force done such a poor, clumsy, "un-dynamic" job, people would blame it on the lack of federal involvement...ha! The double standard is mind-boggling.
Few people are thrilled with these set-ups but the idea of localizing and/or spurring competition or innovation, get an immediate reaction of suspicion to destroy "needed" systems. amazing.
Deliberate incompetence is not an argument
That people who do not believe in government, and seek to destroy it, do government in a shoddy, corrupt, and unaccountable manner, that is a reflection of the people and not the nature of government.
The issue is power and accountability, Government tends to have more of that accountability stuff, and needs more when it does not.
If you put those same people in charge of a less accountable private system, it will in no way improve their performance.
The trick is to hire the best people who believe that the job should be done well, and then make sure the folks who would destroy it all if they could don't Tanya Harding their knees. That is how the Nazis got power in Germany, by making sure that the democracy could not work.
That is the biggest problem in Government today.
The Self Made Man is just not admitting where he got all the parts.
For a graphic example
check out what has been going on with the new laws passed that require using passports for traveling. It is a nightmare of stupidity.
The passport agency is only 3 Million requests behind schedule. And much of the 'labor' for the issuance is contract labor which is suffering a huge staff turnover. How can you possibly expect competence from these people who can't even get a contract for water to be delivered to New Orleans in an emergency.
But they have lots of forms to fill out, studies, statistics, and ideas for how to make the beaucracy stagnate govt.
It is the economy, stupid.
hmmmm. I see what your saying
but I think you convey a few points that i don't consider "truths".
I wouldn't call FEMA, if that's what you;re referring to, "deliberate incompetence". I'd just call it incompetence. The "deliberate" part is a heavy accusation and implies a little more evil than I'm willing to concede.
Yes, the issues are partly accountability and power.
Government tends to have more of that accountability stuff, and needs more when it does not.
I kinda disagree. And this is a little tricky because it depends on one's POV. Governments do not really have more accountability....in terms of owing to mistakes and problems it causes (ones most people notice or otherwise). Some people also disagree on what is really to blame...like right now. I posit that the fed is pretty quick to impose solutions to problems, perceived or otherwise, involving states and private companies when it so wishes but the reverse, like failings of FEMA or Dept of Ed are never thoroughly undermined in the same way. People blame the personnel or Party (like you are) but never the nature of the institution. I think the fed being less accountable improves accountability because change is easier.
Private companies are not less accountable...not the way I see it. They are accountable to the law and to themselves...the powerful form of accountability. Private companies are held accountable for breaking laws thru our legal system but they also held accountable by customers who will go elsewhere. In this sense, I'm speaking to business in general...be it a restaurant, landscaper hotel, a factory or whoever.
In terms of FEMA, I think states can develop protocol and procedure in a more fine tuned and responsive way than a remote federal bureaucracy and definitely without that bureaucracies heavy-handed direction.
The majority of things that I feel were wrong with FEMA after Katrina had little to do with Brown and more to do with decision making process which made their operations AFTER they responded so poor. I sited some of those things above.
finally,
this is a dangerous trap to me and is more an article of faith when it comes to an omnipresent government than a real truth. And even if it were theorectically possible to achieve this, you would never have agreement on who those people are. The fact that this idea is a common component of private industry only strengthens the opposite argument (in a broader sense) of one you are making.
In terms of public services, however, I think this is easier to achieve on a local level where there is more accountability than at national level.
Perhaps logic will stand if truth is too subjective
About the deliberate incompetence, I may have misspoken. Failing to organize a timely response to a disaster, might be incompetence. Deliberately turning away help that was on it way to a disaster is not. Call it heavy handed direction, but the next time you are lying bloody in an accident, be sure you have a working cell phone to arrange your own ambulance, so you can avoid such heavy handedness.
Creating a plan for rebuilding Iraq that was only a new tax code, and destruction of the only force believing in secular unification might be incompetence, but
...is well beyond incompetence, as well as beyond any connection to reality, but not at all lacking in being deliberate.
That this is repeated in virtually every arm and branch, leaf, and root of the federal government, also speaks far more of deliberate evil, than foolish incompetence. It is more like leaving the ASPCA dog pound in the care of a person with an insane murderous hatred of anything that barks. Unfortunately the Media is like the board of directors of that pound raving about the lack of noise complaints.
Mom & pop resturants and landscapers, are not exactly Chase, Exxon, Disney, or Humana, much less Halliburton, Blackwater, or Enron, or even Jiffy-lube. These are indeed accountable only to the law and themselves, and if they buy their own laws, or grow beyond any ability to enforce a law, or hire a Government that doesn't believe in those laws, they become a law unto themselves, and have only this kind of interest in your welfare.
The Self Made Man is just not admitting where he got all the parts.