Monday Open Thread

As I run out the door, here are a few links and thoughts. Carnage continues in Iraq. Former official Jay Garner says Iraq is on the verge of a Civil War. (link ) And General Petraeus is already lowering expectations for progress by September. (link ) General John Battiste will be liveblogging today with the Eric Massa team about Iraq over at dKos around 11:30 eastern.

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Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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McCain has principles

How long can he keep them and still run for President.

After reading this article, I just thought......... there it is. This is what is wrong with our political system. This is why the public gets so frustrated and feels like Congress isn't serving their needs.

And John McCain Takes a Big Risk

...as Mr. McCain races to play catch-up with his Republican presidential primary rivals before the end of the second quarter, he is only reminding military companies and lobbyists why they have never liked him. “Defense contractors are more concerned with winning the next contract than performing on the current one,” he charged at a recent campaign stop.

These industries donate heavily to campaign committee chairmen who allocate funds. Why? They are looking for their next contract and know which committe chairs can help them out with those special favors.

Mr. McCain also frequently irked the telephone industry by taking the side of consumer advocates, including trying to end the “universal service” fees the phone companies tack onto consumers’ bills. He earned the lasting enmity of the cable companies by attacking them as price-gouging, unregulated monopolies. He was the only Republican to vote against the 1996 telecommunications overhaul, bucking virtually the entire industry on the grounds that the legislation neglected consumers.

There is of course a political benefit to Mr. McCain in being seen as untrustworthy to those who control big pools of corporate and special interest money. But there is little doubt that his record in Congress has made remaining financially competitive in the presidential race more difficult.

John Q Public gets left out in the cold.

The military industry and its lobbyists, for example, always give heavily to the handful of lawmakers who control military spending; that is what fuels their business.

Last year, for example, the industry gave $244,000 to the chairman of the House armed services committee at the time, Representative Duncan Hunter, even though he faced scant opposition in his California district.

But military industry lobbyists say they have long dreaded the prospect that Mr. McCain might ascend to the chairmanship of the committee, much less the presidency. He is the Senate’s most outspoken critic of military procurement policies, big Pentagon contracts, and especially earmarks — the Congressional add-ons to military spending bills that contractors crave.

“McCain has been a one-man wrecking crew,” said a prominent military lobbyist, speaking on condition of anonymity because he lobbies the committee.

This isn't related to just military spending, it's all big companies. The people are not being served...... and there is no more glaring example than John McCains need for more campaign cash. He has bucked the system, and now needs to raise money.

There is something wrong with this picture. Do we have to hold corporations and not public officials accountable for US policies?

(The release of 'Sicko' will highlight how corporations play the largest role in not serving the people, but only the interests of big industry.)

[edit; sorry this is so long but the article is from the NYT so some people might not be able to read it.]

It is the economy, stupid.

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McCain having principals??! Since when?!

Seriously, if John McCain did have any principals, they vanished like the wind sometime ago.

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If you read

the article you can see he has taken some pretty courageous stands in the past Against Corporations and Consolidation......... which has really been the enemy of legislatures representing their constituents.

The article also cites comment, that angered potential supporters ie: defense contracters, when McCain said at a recent campaign stop, "“Defense contractors are more concerned with winning the next contract than performing on the current one."

So that puts him in a quandry. He needs to raise money, but he is pissing of the people that would be giving it to him.

I think that is good! Not super fond of McCain's ultra hawkisih stands but if we could get lobbyists and corporations out of politics........ that would be a huge step, an enormous step even, in fixing our broken system.

So yes McCain does have principles...... but can you run for office these days and keep them considering the huge amount of money if takes to fund a campaign.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Point taken, missliberties. However,

in addition to his ultra-hawkish and superconservative stands on some things, not to mention his Vesuvian temper, he just might turn out to be a liability.

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I admire anyone with the

guts it takes to buck the monster in politics known as corporations.

And the irony that Defense Contracters were hoping that he would NEver get committe chair.......!

I don't think he would make a good President, but I appreciate his courage in this area.

I was more offended by his a** k*ss*ng of Mr. Falwell.

It is the economy, stupid.

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good morning all

also running out for now but I see congress is seeking new Nuclear energy - sounds good!

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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The Jay Garner article

says he thinks Iraq is on the verge of a genocidal civil war.

qui tacet consentire

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I think that

means Sunni vs Shia, with the Kurds hoping to stay out of the way.

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Did Hamas win the battle but lose the war?

Hamas got Gaza and all the economic problems that come with it, while Abbas still controls the more prosperous West Bank and his new PA cabinet will now receive hundreds of millions of dollars in previously frozen aid and taxes. It looks like there is a very real possibility of peace talks to establish an independent Palestinian state in the West Bank.

Things look to get better in the West Bank and much worse in Gaza pretty quickly, and that's partially intentional to marginalize Hamas. The best-case scenario is for Hamas to crack down on the splinter groups and end the rocket attacks and kidnapping attempts and to moderate their hard-line ideology to reflect the geopolitical reality of Gaza's tenuous situation. Hopefully the people of Gaza will not be allowed to suffer unnecessarily.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070618/ts_nm/palestinians_israel_dc

The European Union said on Monday it wants to resume direct aid to the Palestinians, but did not say when funds would be freed up.

U.S. President George W. Bush called Abbas to extend support and Abbas told him he was ready to "open the door" to renewed peace talks, an aide to Abbas said.

The United States is set to lift a ban on direct aid to the Palestinian government formed by Abbas for the first time since an embargo imposed when Hamas rose to power in early 2006 and refused to recognize Israel.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said in New York that Israel would release frozen tax revenues to Abbas and "take perhaps more risks" in cooperating with Abbas's government.

Washington wants to accelerate talks between Olmert and Abbas on Palestinian statehood in the West Bank, while isolating Hamas economically, diplomatically and militarily in Gaza.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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It's OK, Brendan.

As jasmine frequently likes to point out Hamas is going to build schools, hospitals, and hand out money to win the hearts and minds of those in Gaza. They'll be just fine.

Maybe we should rename Gaza as "Little Iran" now?

I was reading that the people in Gaza have begun hording food and supplies in preparation for the coming seige.

Hamas, I guess that they are just misunderstood. :(

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I think it is possible

that Israel will re-invade Gaza to destroy Hamas. Might be a bit bloody.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Why?

Just let them run their obsolete course.

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not if they keep

attacking Israel... Depends on what they do.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Condi supports lifting sanctions against Palestine

I just heard that on the radio.

You forget, if the US doens't fund them, then Hezbolah will. Which would not be good.

(I know you want them all dead, and the blood flowing and Israel to reclaim the land because the Palestinians are evil barbarian blood thirsty killers, but you don't always get what you want)

It is the economy, stupid.

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yeah

lifting sanctions against the Separated West Bank Palestine with Abbas in charge. You missed the part about just forgetting Hamas.

Basically US will pretend like Hamas does not exist as a part of government and recognize Abbas and Fatah as the only legitimate representatives of the Palestinians. I have no problem with that.

So you are wrong.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Okay!

Apology accepted! :+)

She rushes to look for a newsclipping.

The Bush administration, reinforcing its policy favoring a single Palestinian state, on Monday lifted its economic and political embargo against the Western-backed government of President Mahmoud Abbas.

“We intend to lift our financial restrictions on the Palestinian government, which has accepted previous agreements with Israel and rejects the path of violence. This will enable the American people and American financial institutions to resume normal economic and commercial ties with the Palestinian government,” Rice said.

I think this is a good thing. It is a good faitih offer for a two state solution.

Since the Islamic group seized control of Gaza, Abbas has dismantled the coalition government of his Fatah movement and Hamas, and installed a new government led by Fayyad, a political independent.

The European Union said Monday it would lift its punishing sanctions on the Palestinian Authority, imposed after Hamas swept Palestinian parliamentary elections in January 2006.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Correction.

I rescind my Iran comment above. I was confusing Hamas with Hezbollah.

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hey

I am pretty sure Hamas has received a huge amount of money from Iran, just like Hezbollah. I saw the link from Al Jazeera about that on dkos just yesterday.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Oh, well, if you read it on dkos ...

who could possibly argue with that? :)

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yeah I mean dkos and al jazeera

who could beat that kind of info.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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:b

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Democrats, ethics, & why we should fear them as DAs ...

The most recent case in point: Mike Nifong , Democratic DA in North Carolina.

Article: Duke prosecutor says he will resign because 'community has suffered enough'

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State prosecutors who took over the case have declared the players innocent.

The North Carolina State Bar alleges Nifong withheld DNA test results from the players' defense attorneys, lied to the court and bar investigators and made misleading and inflammatory comments about the three athletes who'd been charged with raping a stripper at a team party in March 2006.

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He also testified about the DNA tests, saying that when he turned over the report to the defense, he "believed at the time that I had given them everything." He said he didn't realize until months later that additional DNA information was missing.

"My first reaction was a variation of 'Oh crap. I didn't give them this?"' Nifong said.

The DNA tests found genetic material from several males in the accuser's underwear and body, but none from any lacrosse player. Aware of those results, Nifong pressed ahead with the case and won indictments against Seligmann, Evans and Finnerty.

So, we have DNA evidence that completely exonerates the defendents so we withold that information from the defense and press ahead with the case?

Democratic DA ethics at work.

Then, after it all comes out, he characterizes the whole thing as his getting "carried away a little bit".  Personally, that's what I call a bit of an understatment.

Article: N.C. panel disbars Duke prosecutor

District Attorney Mike Nifong was disbarred Saturday for his "selfish" rape prosecution of three Duke University lacrosse playersa politically motivated act, his judges said, that he inexplicably allowed to fester for months after it was clear the defendants were innocent.

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The committee said Nifong manipulated the investigation to boost his chances of winning his first election for Durham County district attorney. In doing so, he committed "a clear case of intentional prosecutorial misconduct" that involved "dishonesty, fraud, deceit and misrepresentation."

During the ethics trial, Nifong acknowledged he knew there was no DNA evidence connecting Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty to the 28-year-old accuser when he indicted them on charges of rape, sexual offense and kidnapping. Nifong later charged Dave Evans with the same crimes. But months later, state prosecutors concluded the three players were "innocent" — a fact Williamson hammered home on Saturday.

"We acknowledge the actual innocence of the defendants, and there's nothing here that has done anything but support that assertion," Williamson said.

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One of the most serious ethics violations Nifong was found to have committed involved his failure to turn over DNA test results that identified genetic material from several men — but no members of the lacrosse team — in the accuser's underwear and body.

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Wow,

Another case of great inductive logic, GoRight. Take a specific example and extrapolate to generalize about all democratic DAs as if this a common MO. Powerful argumentation and logic skills again!

The guys a moron, and everyone can see that. It has nothing to do with his party affiliation unless you want me to say, hey, look at Tom Delay and Abramoff. Those guys are corrupt; therefore all republicans are corrupt.

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Exactly my point.

It has nothing to do with his party affiliation unless you want me to say, hey, look at Tom Delay and Abramoff. Those guys are corrupt; therefore all republicans are corrupt.

Exactly the connection I wanted you to make. Although I suspect that you WON'T walk away having learned the proper lesson here. That is sad.

You are almost there, what do you surmise the rest of the lesson here is?

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That you use

inductive logic too much?

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No, that's not it ...

try again ...

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That you are

being condescending?

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:) Nope, you're getting colder ...

Come on, Specter, I know you can do it. You're SOOO close. Try just a little harder ...

Hint:

Think about the parallels you just drew between my comment and those made by liberals, and how accurate you felt MY comment was.

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Oh great

here we go again. "Those comments made by liberals."

I smell more inductive logic on the horizon. Or maybe it's just a whiff of condescension.

Listen, this game is fun and informative and all, but I have some stuff to take care of around the house. Go ahead and give me my daily lesson and I'll read it later this afternoon. Thanks. :-)

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:) Sigh. Good try anyway, Specter.

[ Pats Specter on the head ]

Good try. You almost had it there.

:)

[ I'm just teasing you in all good jest. ]

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I have to admit

you are a pretty funny guy. :-)

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Did you notice that

you overtook CheneysLoveChild as the fifth most comments? Look under the 'Temp. Disabled' tab if you are interested.

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I actually have been watching the board.

I have had a good couple of months. I have consistently been outpacing missliberties but this is the first time I have made it to the "big board"!.

From the looks of it you and pico better pick up the pace as I am closing in on your as well. :)

Although I expect to hear discussion of Quantity vs. Quality of posts from you any time now. :)

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hmmm

sounds like I need to start catching back up. It's embarrassing!

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Dude, you've been slippin'

the past month or so. You've barely even been on the smaller boards of late.

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I'll get back into it

busy at work plus other family things meant very little time for this. It's ok, I will shape up.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Ding

Standards of evidence and double standards discussed .

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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CNN quick poll asks:

"Should men and women have the same right to go topless?"

A majority is currently voting "Yes" -- I'm curious about the gender breakdown of the voting.

(This is the sort of hard-hitting coverage you just can't find at other blogs)

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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I just voted yes

Right on! Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Absolutely,

although given the sheer panic that an exposed breast causes in some people, I'm not sure we'd be able to offer gender equality without a lot of indignant prudes suffering heart attacks.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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I think

it is important to qualify that there should be some sort of decency guidelines for the very unattractive among us. Not every female or male for that matter should be baring their breasts for everyone to appreciate.

I'd have our police issue warnings to those flouting basic decency rules.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Maybe we've got it all backwards

I don't see anywhere in the Constitution it says you have a right to go topless. Stop making up rights!

Instead, let the state dispense a limited number of topless permits, to be awarded based on objective criteria designed to maximize happiness in the population as a whole.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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I think

that unattractive bodies flopping in the wind are a direct assault on the premise of "pursuit of happiness". I am nothing particularly great myself, but at the very least I recognize that fact unlike some much much worse specimens, and don't run around half-nude.

This is a great chance for Bush Supreme Court to step up and step in.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Criminy!

There are certain bodies of such unatractiveness, that it almost makes me question the right to bare arms!

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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heh

In order to further those rights, we should perhaps institute certain scales of attractiveness in order to help law enforcement officials make tough constitutional decisions.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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lol

Nice one.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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The Right Takes a Left Hook... French style

American Right Wingers, like Newt Gingrich, have been busy gloating over France's recent election results with the win of conservative Nicholas Sarkozy.

Sarkozy, an urbane secularist who has appointed a leading socialist and one of the world's top human rights advocates to his Cabinet, is hardly an American-style yahoo conservative.

Sarkozy was being touted as a conservative reformer that so excited Newst, he has been writing things headlines like "A French Lesson for Republicans."

Instead the recent elections paint a different picture.

Instead, the UMP lost 45 seats, while the Socialists gained 36 seats and the Communist Party, which had been predicted to collapse, held onto at least 15 seats.

One of Sarkozy's top Cabinet picks, former prime minister Alain Juppe, was defeated by a Socialist and had to resign his position, while a number of the president's allies and aides lost.

No blank check for Sarkozy from the French voters. Hopefully Newt and his Republicans will discover a more nuanced reading of ..... a French lesson for Republicans.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Unless someone is a true out and out

socialist, authoritarian or fascist, there's no need to take sides in the status quo of French politics.

Be it Sarko or Segolene, the French had dismal choices to choose from and neither will or would make any real impact on the French Society.

I lived in France, loved the people and everything but the economy and politics? yuck.

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So......

Newt was wrong to take sides then.

I live in the US. Love the people and everything but the economy and the politics...... yuk!

It is the economy, stupid.

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yes. he was

If newt is falling into the shallow trap of taking sides in a "Left/Right" battle in France, he doesn't understand French politics.

And you think our politics is bad? ha!

They say the grass always looks greener from the other side.

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BTW,

I hope that question wasn't to try to "put me on the spot" and speak against Newt. That would be a waste of time and misreading of my general stance. It would imply that I'm inclined to support him or any other Pol. Tsk, tsk. Not the case. I take sides on issues, not pols. I speak in favor of a pol one minute and then bash him the next.

I'm very un-loyal. If that wasn't your intention, disregard.

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What I Learned at Swords Crossed

I have in my short time here learned several things:

1) I am a very bad writer whose words are not clear, even when I think they are;

2) That is because I am stupid;

3) When I try to use humour, I am not very funny;

4) Liberals love to destroy someone else's sense of self-esteem.

I believe the latter is a natural result of liberals' overall mission of levelling. Still, I consider it predatory, vicious, and, most of all, illiberal.

Thank you all for the lessons.

I'll slither back to the hills now.

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Bah

Liberals love to destroy someone else's sense of self-esteem.

Should be water off a duck's back to someone as old and experienced as you.  Buck up!  Walk right through that nonsense and stamp out those negative comments like cockroaches!

Seriously-- I read your comments and have enjoyed your participation.  If you count me amongst the liberal offenders, I will admit that I don't usually post with the intent of raising my opponent's self-esteem, but I'm not out to insult or make people feel bad just for the sake of doing so.

 

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Well

there's a variety of reasons people are here; some are looking to defend a particular ideology, some are looking for spirited debate regardless of the politics, and some are interested in polite conversation.

Not everyone plays nice all the time, but not everyone is looking to destroy anyone's self esteem either.

If you don't find engaging in a particular fashion or with a particular set of posters to be what you're looking for, you might try searching out other types of discussion or different posters. It's a small site but it's not that small.

I'd be sorry to see you leave.

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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hardly knew ya....

don't leave. We need more people like you buck the establishment fallacies....

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Dude

I really don't comment all that much on this blog, but you're posts really got me interested in contributing more. And I think I learned quite a bit from our conversations. I personally would like to see you stick around.

Sorry for being a contributor to lessons 1, 3 and apparently 4 (pretty sure I had nothing to do with 2, did I?) but like I said, you did get me fired up enough to express an opinion, and I appreciate that!

We are the environment. There is no distinction. What we do to the earth we do to ourselves. —David Suzuki

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Why not learn more!

Learning is Fun!

It is the economy, stupid.

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Madscientist :

I sense this message is going out to the wind, but I'll give it a shot anyway. I have no doubt that I'm probably 75% of why you are leaving. I apologize for any insults and such you feel I threw your way. Our misunderstandings and miscommunication seemed over very trivial things, so much so that I would really regret you leaving over them. I never thought you were stupid, and I respect your understanding of philosophy especially your Nietzsche quotes. As I mentioned previously, I think your contributions are an important and insightful voice that adds to our conversations here.

As Brendan said, if you choose to stick around you can avoid certain commenters/posters (me among others) if you do not find their discussions fruitful.

I hope you reconsider your decision. If not, good luck with your future ventures and I hope you find some place that you feel suits what you are looking for in a political discussion blog. :-)

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Madscientist:

Your input, posts and comments are valued here. Everyone here, including myself, would like you to stay. Here's hoping you'll reconsider.

I'll tell this, Madscientist. As you know, I'm not the most revered poster on any of the blogs that I post on, either online or offline, but I soldier on anyway, because it's my world as much as it is everybody else's. The latter goes for you too, Madscientist.

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I'll add my voice to asking you to stay

and though I have not really interacted with you yet, I've read most of the discussions you guys have had and have found the way you approach issues rather interesting.

Part of making this site good is acquiring a good diversity of voices from different backgrounds and viewpoints and you sound like a very qualified and different candidate for that.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Here's hoping you keep coming around.

I have enjoyed seeing you argue the libs into the ground. I didn't chime in more because, well, you were doing a pretty good job on your own.

They are a feisty lot, our libs, every one. We don't always play nice but we're still sort of a family. No body's taking it personally, or at least they shouldn't be.

I DO feel your pain, though, so here's a couple of references from when I was feeling down/frustrated:

http://www.swordscrossed.org/node/1072

http://www.swordscrossed.org/node/1237#comment-52178

So you aren't the only one to get worn down by the constant, and mostly pointless, bickering here. We DO sometimes find a diamond amongst the rubble, though, and that makes it worth it IMHO.

I have found most of your posts to be well written and have said so many times. The libs often fake ignorance of your point because, well, you have a point. :)

They don't like when people point out things that conflict with their world view. This makes them a very sad bunch because there are so many places where their worldview is just plain wrong. Someone has to try and help them see the light, though, and it might as well be you along with the rest of us. :)

Cheers, and stop back in some time.

EDIT:

P.S. And on the humor front ... I have found that you need to explicitly TELL many of the people with blue and purple bars that you are joking. They seem to be humor challenged at times, but in all fairness so am I.

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yeah

to be fair, I am one of the few people not humor challenged here :)

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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:) Yea everything he says is a joke!

Or so the blue stripes tell me.

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Your best joke yet!

I am one of the few people not humor challenged here :)

;-)

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Does the right

have a sense of humor. Their idea of humor is laughing at dems. (See Ann Coulter)

Ha Ha. That was funny.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Purple bar??

Who has one of those? ;-)

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You are only allowed to support

conservative positions while donning that red bar, son. Remember that! :)

You should change your moniker to "The Chameleon".

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Late to the party

But I'll add my two cents anyway.

Please reconsider. Your writing is clear; I understand your posts. Heck, I even understand why they don't understand your posts. We are all beset by assumptions and preconceptions. Bashing through those is part of the painful joys of this site.

Communicating with people who do not share your frame of reference is not easy. But most here are decent people and they do not really intend any of what they say to be taken personally.

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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R. I. P., Robert Wise.

R. I. P., Robert Wise; Robert Wise:

Although you're no longer alive, you clearly lived a long, full and rich life.
I'll always remember you and thank you for having directed and helped create my alltime favorite film, West Side Story.

In America, nothing is impossible.

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Mr. Mad I made you something special: Look Here

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Come on! Play it again Sam! The treble is fine!

You don't have to fade away.

See your musings have inspired.

It is the economy, stupid.

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I gotta say

the people clamoring for impeachment on dkos are such fools - no wonder the dkos management doesn't take them seriously. All those stupid calls are just that... so stupid.

Just brainless emotionalizing - impeach impeach impeach, fascism, nazis, blah blah, war crimes, impeach, impeach. Far left wing gone nuts.

Completely detached fantasy worlds is what they inhabit. Nothing even close to what they say Bush is guilty of is true, and nothing even close to what they say must happen will ever happen.

Bush sucks, but he is guilty of incompetence and will fade away into obscurity after 2009. Also for all his incompetence he is still fully capable of outplaying Dems at every turn. What does that tell us about Dems? You figure it out.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Stop reading it if it so irrelavent......

Bush sucks but he sucks good. He is in power and he is using it at full tilt boogey.

Did you see all of his signing statements. He is just a complete ignorer and abuser of the law. He doesn't respect the law. He doesn't give a sh*t about the law. He just mouths the words.

It tells me that the Dems need to get mean.

This is what I think is going to happen........ (though I prey I am wrong). Right before Nov. 08 the Republicans will attack Iran. Partly because they want to, and partly because they know it would be a huge power play on their part. The folks in charge behind the scenes want to attack Iran so bad their eyes are bleeding. Then they can bash dems endlessly with the support the troops we are at war, shut up and vote republican. God I hope I am wrong.

It is the economy, stupid.

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You mean they aren't now?

It tells me that the Dems need to get mean.

Lord help us all if they turn mean!

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Tsk!

Republicans don't even know what mean looks like.

And the dems could use some lessons on when to call bullsh*t, for what it is.

They make me nuts with their stuttering.

Bush and his rampant abuse of the constitution in a mad grab for power.

I swear they want the US to be set up like China, with authoritarian rule.

We need to get out of Iraq now so we don't go to war with Iran. Period.

Cut a deal. Bribes. Use extortion. Anything. War with Iran..... will make Iraq look like Sunday School.

It is the economy, stupid.

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:) LOL

Also for all his incompetence he is still fully capable of outplaying Dems at every turn. What does that tell us about Dems? You figure it out.

A point I have made myself on many occasions, but for some reason the Dems never seem to appreciate that particular observation as much as I do.

It is fun to adopt their characterization of Bush as a moron and a chimp in conjunction with this observation because they end up being outsmarted by a stupid monkey using their own words! He he.

Maybe we can teach them to do stupid Dem tricks and book a night on Letterman. :)

Republican Maverick at Large
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You know what would be BEST

Is if the dems and the republicans could work together.

As in recognizes the strength and weaknesses of each side.

The rhetoric that comes from you especially is hate dems all the time.

You might realize that they have a valuable contribution to make, and they all aren't stupid like you assume. Your refusal to accept anything from any point of view but your own just for the sake of pure partisan revenge for the Past.

What's the word I am looking for? Blockhead.

Yeah that was funny. Unless you have no sense of humor.

It is the economy, stupid.

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