Tuesday Open Thread

Just wanted to throw this out there. Still busy, but it's getting better at work so hopefully soon I will be able to participate more again :) What's going on with you guys?

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What do you all think about the al-Marri decision of the

4th Circuit Court? The AP article yesterday, Court Rules in Favor of Enemy Combatant, is a misnomer. The Court basically said that someone here legally isn't an Enemy Combatant and has to be given the same set of rights as the rest of us. They went on to say:

" ...legal U.S. resident and the only suspected enemy combatant on American soil, or release him from military custody. The federal Military Commissions Act doesn't strip al-Marri of his constitutional right to challenge his accusers in court, the judges found in Monday's 2-1 decision. Put simply, the Constitution does not allow the President to order the military to seize civilians residing within the United States and then detain them indefinitely without criminal process, and this is so even if he calls them 'enemy combatants".

Of course the justice Department right away said it would appeal the matter to the entire 4th Court and then to the Supreme Court if it had to (and it will).

I see Irony here. Irony because the bush43 Administration has purposefully chosen traditionally conservative Circuit Courts to judge it's cases. Here we have a very conservative court saying that what the Adminstration is doing:

"Such detention would have disastrous consequences for the Constitution — and the country,"

Now that's Irony. Having conservatives (real ones, not the lil fascists calling themselves conservatives) defend a Constitutional protection against an unAmerican Administration. I had to appreciate the sweetness.

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not that I think it is a big deal

but I don't mind removing the whole "Enemy Combatant" designation only from Legal Residents(have green card), and Citizens, either of which were captured here in US.

That said, they could be tried in special courts if there is classified info involved, but I am not upset by this decision.

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Who said this?

No fair Googling either.

"When Paris Hilton was going to jail last week, more people knew about that than knew that we were sending people into space that day. It has replaced what is real news. There was always a place for it, but it was (gossip writer) Rona Barrett. Now it is the equivalent of Edward R. Murrow reporting it today."

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I dunno

Bill Clinton? heh

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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OJ Simpson

He's now a media critic.

Link

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haha

good one...

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Rupert Murdoch?

I always knew that so-and-so was a hypocrite!

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Hi Everyone

Sorry for my lack of contribution lately. For the past week, I've come down with a severe case of what is known as acute prostatitis , which includes fevers, chills, exhaustion, and confusion. Needless to say I was not (rather, am still not) able to find the energy to do much other than lay on the couch or bed and try to sleep.

Hopefully I will be back in full form in a few days (then the baby is expected).

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Get well my friend

You are missed.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Be careful where you repeat that.

I have no doubt that many respondents would offer to soothe your aches by offering prostate massages. While this may sound like fun, you may be sightly surprised, dismayed and unimpressed with how they would do that.

PS- count me out.

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Yeah, I already

had the test, and you know what the doctor says? "Wow, it sure is hot up there! Your core temperature is very high."

I know she was commenting on my fever, but what a thing to say to a person in an awkward situation. Sheesh.

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Heh

Quityerbellyaching. You should try being a girl. Every six months for thirty years.

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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My wife

said the same thing to me several times. Call it an empathy creator, I guess.

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six months?

Shouldn't that be "three days out of every 28, for thirty years"?

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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That too

but I was referring to pelvic exams. Tons of fun. And y'all whine about prostate exams. Wimps.

Had a doctor who'd quote Shakespeare. Or sing Englebert Humperdinck songs. Funny guy.

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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Ah.

Gotcha.

Although you have to admit that at least the anatomy that gets examined during a "pelvic" exam is designed to accomodate a certain amount of intrusion where as the the anatomy probed during a prostate exam isn't, really.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Ummm, how to say this

We get that too. It's all part of the exam. Ask your wife.

No quotes needed; that's what it's called.

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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Interesting.

I looked it up real quick before posting, seeing as I've never had one, and they only talked about an external examination and then an internal examination of the girly bits (to use the scientific term) with speculum and so forth. I guess they left something out.

Alright, you win the pelvic exam vs prostate exam battle in the war of the sexes. Enjoy your victory :P

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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get well dude

And I am sure everything will go well with the baby, so give the baby my regards. :)

"To discuss evil in a manner implying neutrality, is to sanction it." AR

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Better you than me

Er, I meant to say "get well soon!" ;-)

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Your timing

appears to be off ;}

Hope you get to feeling better soon. We do expect baby pictures, you realize.

"Perplexity is the beginning of knowledge" -- Kahlil Gibran

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Sure n/t

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Hope you feel better

Do you know if the baby will be a boy or girl?

Come, my friends. 'Tis not too late to seek a newer world -- Tennyson

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We broke down

this time and (to my wife's slight chagrin) it's another boy.

Besides my mother, there has not been a boy born on my side of the family in over 75 years. Strange stuff as I guess there is no genetic predisposition to putting out more 'x' and 'y' chromosomes on the male side. It is an even split, but we've had 10 boys in the last two generations and no girls.

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ugh

That sounds awful. :( Get well soon!! And when the big event happens, send us some baby pictures even if you aren't well!!! :D

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Will do. n/t

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A new Wall St. Journal editorial denouncing

the practice of suing private companies that assist in facilitating torture . I linked over from SadlyNo. I wasn't surprised to see the WSJ saying that a business making money off of extraordinary renditions that result in torture is completely OK. My question to the WSJ then is "What income generating practice is out of bounds for corporations?". I mean, if making money on torture (which is still against the law here in the US) is OK, well what about murder? What about mass murder? Why doesn't the WSJ & the American Chamber of Commerce nominate the Government of Darfur for a Nobel Prize for fighting malnutrition and population expansion?

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That's funny/Lessons from GOP debates

"I’ve learned one thing in listening to all the debates and reading about all these people running for office, and the one fact I’ve learned, I can’t get out of my mind, is that Rudy Giuliani has been married more times than Mitt Romney’s been hunting."

guess who said it

It is the economy, stupid.

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Senator Graham says

this in an interview:

"How many Americans would say that it is a greater dereliction of duty as President of the United States to have a consensual sexual affair or to take the country to war under manipulated, fabricated, and largely untruthful representations which the President knew or should have known"

Additionally, he says that Senator Leiberman is nutz. I can't fault the guy on either count.

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FBI tries to get data-mining OK

in through the back door. Doesn't this seem like they are trying to get approval for the whole NSA domestic spying thing?

Undoubtably, there will be some that cheer this on.

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Those sneaky FBI types.

Trying to hide their activities in budget requests. Who would have ever thought to look at the budget to see what they are doing?

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Always wanting to open up a new file

on someone....Say GoRight, what did you say your Social Security # was?

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Attn; pico (Dis)Honoring Music and Culture

Pete Seeger, America's most successful communist.

As evidenced by the popularity of Pete Seeger and how the music culture reflects the unending swerve to liberalism (communism).

This article is a fascinating peek into how the 'other side' views the history of American music as a precurser to the loss of war in vietnam, to the decline of western culture, the rise of the dirty f*cking hippies.

It took a while for the Popular Front’s strategy to get results in popular music—and Pete Seeger was the catalyst. Many critics mark Elvis Presley’s arrival in the 1950s as a turning point in postwar American popular culture, not just because he injected a more overt sexual energy into entertainment, but also, they claim, because his rebellious spirit anticipated the political upheavals of the 1960s. But neither Presley nor the newfangled thing called rock ‘n’ roll had any explicit politics at the time (and Elvis would one day endorse Richard Nixon). A better leading indicator of the politicization of pop was the first appearance of a Seeger composition on the hit parade.

Though I don't agree with this articles point of view, it is a well written and worth reading and provides well researched history of protest music, including the lyrics.

The beginning of the 'end' of culture was Pete Seeger's hit song, 'Where have all the flowers gone'.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Pete Seeger was more involved with folk music than rock.

As far as influences go I would say that Woody Guthrie was an influence to Pete & Pete influenced Bob Dylan, Peter, Paul & Mary, Paul Simon, etc. But I also realize that isn't the point of the article you linked to.

He used to live up the Hudson from me. I'd watch his beautiful old wooden sailboat sail up and down the river.

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Ah.....

Woody Guthrie. I don't think the article mentions him.

And don't forget those radicals the Kingston Trio, those populists that made famous so many of those radical songs.

If these people didn't like Pete Seeger and the Kingston Trio, they must have had a brain annurism when the Beetles came to town.

So cool about the sailboat.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Don't forget Peter, Paul, and Mary

with there radical pro-gay agenda song, "Puff, the magic drag queen"

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Interesting article

On the impact of low-paid illegal work force on prices.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003265139_imprices19.html

More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns, clean hotel rooms, cook restaurant meals and wash the dishes that come back.

You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices — call it the "illegal-worker discount" — is surprisingly small.

Something I’ve always suspected but have never seen data on... Bravo, Seattle Times business reporter Drew DeSilver Bravo!

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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Why would we assume that?

You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce.

Er... no, I wouldn't. I would assume that producers who hire illegal workers continue to plug their product at the going market rate, and pocket the savings for themselves. Unless every single producer is hiring illegal workers at low wages, the market high price will be set by whichever company is hiring legal workers at minimum wage, since they have the highest cost of production. I can then hire illegals and charge the same price, pocketing an enormous profit.

I dunno, or is that just me? Seems like basic business practice.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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Probably because...

...its been the standard meme from the pro-immigration folks

That if we didn't have these low-wage illegal workers we'd be paying $5.00+ for a head of lettuce or the classic "we need cheap, unskilled, illegal labor if we want to continue to eat and build houses"

That’s my guess anyway

"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

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Ah, that's possible;

although that seems more like a business meme, no? Well, a lot of businesses are pro-immigration, so I guess that's from the same pool. I hadn't seen this before because most people on the left tend to push for standard wages for immigrants, so this argument would be moot.

Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

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Major development in Iraq

Suspected al-Qaida insurgents on Wednesday destroyed the two minarets of the Askariya Shiite shrine in Samarra, authorities reported, in a repeat of a 2006 bombing that shattered its famous Golden Dome and unleashed a wave of retaliatory sectarian violence that still bloodies Iraq.

Police said the attack at about 9 a.m. involved explosives and brought down the two minarets, which had flanked the dome's ruins. No casualties were reported.

The attack immediately stirred fears of a new explosion of Sunni-Shiite bloodshed. State television said Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki quickly imposed an indefinite curfew on vehicle traffic and large gatherings in Baghdad as of 3 p.m. Wednesday.

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It's America's fault

We made them do it!

Ah, if only we'd leave, then when some Sunni sectarians got up one morning to blow up a Shia mosque, he would be tpold, "forget about it, man, the Americans have left."

Then the Sunnis and Shia would lie down together, mneet in the streets, and exchange greetings and condolences: "Hey, Hussein, sorry we had to blow up your uncle, but the damned Americans just wouldn't leave." To which, "OH, I know, Ahmad, I thought they would never leave. By the way, sorry about Yassir, he was a good boy."

Well, they would rejoice together in perfect harmony, they are gone now, so we don't have to kill each other any more!

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Nobody says that

Those that want out only say that their civil war is none of our business.

And perhaps the Iraqis would chase the unwanted al-Qaeda out of their country which may have prevented this situation as they are the ones trying to inflame the civil war and are blamed for this bombing.

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I will bet you

that before the day is out, this will be blamed on America on some religious antiBushite blog.

And I have certainly heard that if we leave, the sectarian violence will suddenly stop.

But you will notice that i did not attribute what I, me, and myself wrote to anyone else.

Here is the place to quote that iraqi wise man, Muqtada al-Sadr, who said that the Americans should leave immediately. He said that iraq would have a rough time of it for a year or two, but eventually, it would work itself out.

Gee, I wonder what he has in mind. But it actually sounds pretty sensible. Let 'em work it out for themselves, if the UN is too chickens**t to send peacekeepers from many nations to keep down the ethnic cleansing.

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You are forgetting

that Bush denied other countries from going in after our attack for peacekeeping purposes (it would mean we would have to share the spoils of victory). The UN never set up a peacekeeping force becasue they did not sanction the mess we created in the war. The UN left in its entirety because we could not keep it secure (remember the UN's buildings were bombed shortly after 'Mission Accomplished'?).

Also, "religious anti-Bush"??? Do you mean a radical/extremist Islamic site? If so, who pays much attention to them. Kind of digging in the dregs aren't you? If not, who are these 'religious antiBush' blogs?

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He means all the usual liberal blogs.

I am not the only one to notice the fanatical and religious-like chanting going on in those places.

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You must be limber from all the stretching you do. n/t

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:) Good come back!

From a strickly comedic perspective, of course.

Hope you are feeling better now, after you bout with whatever it was. Save your strength for that baby that is on its way. You'll need it.

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Thanks :-) n/t

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Actually, Imam Al Sadr has already come out and said

that the bombing is America's fault. I heard that on NPR this morning.

We're damned if we do & we're damned if we don't.

Why is it that the leadership in the religious folds of the Sunni's and Shia aren't getting together to help each other, I don't know.

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There is a lot

of religious history (the power claim of being Mohammed's descendants). A temporary truce seems tenable until you realize that the Sunnis subjugated the Shiites in Iraq for the last thirty years and now the Shiites want to do the same back.

It's a mess.

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Wow!

Hate much?

Pick a side and bash it. Have fun.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Who said it was America's fault?

Nobody.

It is, however, America's misfortune.

We are like the person trying to break up a fight in a bar who ends up getting shot for trying to help.

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A misfortune indeed

that was brought us by the right, opposed by the left.

And now the left is the go to scapegoat.

Nice double back with a full half twist on avoiding accountability for the consequences of the policies of the Commander in Chief.

I would note that the misfortune effects more than America.

It is the economy, stupid.

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Yea, I know.

This is what everyone on the left believes. They just take it on faith because it suits their political objectives.

If Gaza is any sort of a model these days, we can see how well this matches reality.

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Everyone?

Overgeneralize much?

All people on the right are racists because it suits their political agenda.

Hmm, makes for great political dialogue doesn't it?

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Exactly my point!

All people on the right are racists because it suits their political agenda.

Another fine example of what everyone on the left believes. :)

I generalize by exactly the proper amount. Never too much. Never too little.

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Why don't you

blockquote the part about

makes for great political dialogue doesn't it?

as this is the more pertinent point unless you are just here to make jabs today.

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I guess today's rant is more in

reaction to missliberties claim of religious people accepting whatever Bush says without question. An equally egregious over-generalization IMHO.

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followers or leaders

the rebels against swallowing the religous doctrine

The Church says that the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen the shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church.
~~~~~~~~~~-Ferdinand Magellan, Portuguese and Spanish explorer

It is the economy, stupid.

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That Magellan guy...

Such a blasphemer.....

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He saw shadows on the moon.....

horrifying!

It is the economy, stupid.

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My point exactly!

He didn't accept the religious doctrine without questioning it.

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So that's one

for science. Zero for religon.

It is the economy, stupid.

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True.

It is also one for GoRight and zero for missliberties. :)

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You wanted me to remind you

about the evolution of language open questions we had a while back. No pressure. Just thought I would mention it in case you were feeling up to it.

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Already done my friend.

Here it is.

I latched on to your first comment today to notify you, but I guess you did not see it.

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Wow.

I guess economics isn't your only weak area.

I came. I saw. I posted.
Veni, Vidi, Bitchy.

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Speaking of irony ... n/t

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